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Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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This is why people eat organic food. Now if you want some other curious links to pesticides and weedkillers, look at Stephanie Seneffs research.

It's a common misconception that organic food doesn't use pesticides -

the USDA's list of allowed pesticides has quite a few pesticides that are dangerous to humans, such as various coppers, elemental sulfur, boric acid, the list is here: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1...

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#42

This is why people eat organic food. Now if you want some other curious links to pesticides and weedkillers, look at Stephanie Seneffs research.

It's a common misconception that organic food doesn't use pesticides - the USDA's list of allowed pesticides has quite a few pesticides that are dangerous to humans, such as various coppers, elemental sulfur, boric acid, the list is here: https://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&SID=9874504b6f1...

Did you even read your own link?

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#43

This is why people eat organic food.

Wilful misunderstanding of the research in the field? Or is it a gut reaction that spurs them into alternatives, based on a pretty meaningless label, which have no real proven health benefit? Perhaps it's the easy narrative of painting an entirely normal company as evil because they're messing with forces best left alone.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#44
One important reasons for robotics is to reduce/eliminate the use of pesticides. After all we use weed killed because it's cheaper than weeding by hand.

Regardless of whether Glyphosate is toxic to humans or not, it kills the rhizome (fungi and other ecology around the roots), drying the soil and making it less productive. Robots will not only avoid this problem but support the planting of complementary crops.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm very sorry for your loss. But as a cancer researcher, I can fairly confidently say that glyphosate had nothing to do with your father's death. There just isn't any evidence showing that it has direct mutagenic activity or even other indirect biological influences on the probability of developing cancer. I've also lost several fit, active nonsmoking friends and family to cancer. Our cells copy themselves imperfect…

It was my understanding that while the IARC classification of glyphosate as a carcinogen has been disputed, exposure has been shown to increase the risk of melanoma, especially in occupational contexts: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27058477/?i=15&from=gl...

That's a terrible paper. This is a small epidemiological study where they're looking both at 1. exposure to sun and 2. occupational exposure to -any- herbicides/pesticides/fungacides/insecticides (not just glyphosate) and trying to pull out odds ratios of melanoma risk. Outdoor work definitely increases melanoma risk, but I wouldn't try to pull out much more than that from this paper!

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #43

This is why people eat organic food.

Wilful misunderstanding of the research in the field? Or is it a gut reaction that spurs them into alternatives, based on a pretty meaningless label, which have no real proven health benefit? Perhaps it's the easy narrative of painting an entirely normal company as evil because they're messing with forces best left alone.

Someone didn't read the article.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#48

My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

I'm so sorry your dad died, I'm with you on the roundup, very nasty stuff and a nasty company lobbying/suppressing any claims that say otherwise. I worked with it for many years myself until I left the industry.

I was diagnosed with a brain tumor recently, I wasn't surprised to say the least. Won't get much of a two sided argument on HN about this unfortunately. It's interesting to see the usual anti-big-corporation crowd on HN and Reddit stick up for Monsanto. I guess when a message gets pushed hard enough the crowd follows.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#49

I've been researching this. 1. Glyphosate (roundup) use is two orders of magnitude higher than originally approved. 2. Due to the emergence of glyphosate-resistant weeds, the dosage has been increased substantially. 3. It is now also usually combined with other compounds to increase effectiveness, which affects how it breaks down and affects both the food and environment. 4. It is now also used for 'green burndown'.…

Without claiming RoundUp is good for you, I would point to this with regards to your point #4:

http://www.snopes.com/food/tainted/roundupwheat.asp

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was my understanding that while the IARC classification of glyphosate as a carcinogen has been disputed, exposure has been shown to increase the risk of melanoma, especially in occupational contexts: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27058477/?i=15&from=gl...

That's a terrible paper. This is a small epidemiological study where they're looking both at 1. exposure to sun and 2. occupational exposure to -any- herbicides/pesticides/fungacides/insecticides (not just glyphosate) and trying to pull out odds ratios of melanoma risk. Outdoor work definitely increases melanoma risk, but I wouldn't try to pull out much more than that from this paper!

Thanks for clarifying!
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