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Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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"Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-pa...

Eating your feces is safe to eat but i wouldn't eat it. Same with drinking urine.

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#32
I've been researching this.

1. Glyphosate (roundup) use is two orders of magnitude higher than originally approved.

2. Due to the emergence of glyphosate-resistant weeds, the dosage has been increased substantially.

3. It is now also usually combined with other compounds to increase effectiveness, which affects how it breaks down and affects both the food and environment.

4. It is now also used for 'green burndown'. To help dessicate the crop. AKA they use it to kills crops to speed harvest, resulting in significantly elevated levels in your food.

Start with the wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glyphosate

Go on to a letter of concern published in the journal of Environmental Health signed by 14 experts in the field. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26883814

Realize that little to gain from raising these concerns, while there are many wealthy parties with vested interests in not finding these results. There's little funding behind this. Governing bodies (e.g. in Germany) are still relying on findings from labs with clear conflicts of interest.

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#33

My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

But how do you know it was because of Roundup? Just because they used Roundup does not necessarily mean that that's what caused the cancer, even if Roundup's ingredients are carcinogenic. So how are you so certain it was the Roundup?

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#35
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this guy did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8sgEhpHM4k

And this guy drinks cyanide: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWNpO5vvhpk My point is that being able to drink one glass of the stuff doesn't really tell me much.

That's an acutely toxic simple anion (CN-), in random things like e.g. apple or peach seeds (#evolution) and commonly byproduct of breaking down more complex atoms.

Versus C3H8NO5P (with additives to multiply the effectiveness), which sounds less inherently safe...

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#37

My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

I can understand this is a very strong belief that you hold, but it's the same kind of story that was used to link vaccines and autism. In the middle ages, similar appearingly non-random connections were used to convict people of witchcraft.

Lots of people get cancer. In many cases, without having any obvious risk factors. Non-smokers still get lung cancer, for example. Human beings have an amazing ability to notice correlations, to make connections. It's an adaptation that has been hugely advantageous to us as a species, but sometimes it causes us to see correlation where the underlying evidence is not very good.

That's not to say that Roundup didn't give your dad cancer. Maybe it did, but science requires more evidence than anecdotes.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#38

My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

I'm very sorry for your loss. But as a cancer researcher, I can fairly confidently say that glyphosate had nothing to do with your father's death. There just isn't any evidence showing that it has direct mutagenic activity or even other indirect biological influences on the probability of developing cancer. I've also lost several fit, active nonsmoking friends and family to cancer. Our cells copy themselves imperfect…

It was my understanding that while the IARC classification of glyphosate as a carcinogen has been disputed, exposure has been shown to increase the risk of melanoma, especially in occupational contexts:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/27058477/?i=15&from=gl...

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

#39

My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

>He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer.

This easily describes massive swaths of people that got cancer from too much exposure to the sun.

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