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Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #11

The funny thing is we have less herbicides because of Roundup. The option is we starve the world, because we will not be able to product enough wheat etc. or we use stronger herbicides. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/organic-farming-y...

The issue is not the existence of Roundup but Monsanto's apparent failure to inform people of its known dangers.

"known" dangers is debatable, that's what the issue is. As posted elsewhere in these comments: http://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/does-glyphosate...

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"Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-pa...

Lithium ion batteries are pretty much 'safe to eat'^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H non-toxic (Edit: NOT safe to eat, as discussed below) (compared with lead-acid or nickel-cadmium batteries)... but I still wouldn't actually eat one.

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“We would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit & sign their names so to speak,” Mr. Heydens wrote, citing a previous instance in which he said the company had done this.

Science for sale.

Shouldn't that Mr. Rowland guy be in jail?

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post #23

“We would be keeping the cost down by us doing the writing and they would just edit & sign their names so to speak,” Mr. Heydens wrote, citing a previous instance in which he said the company had done this. Science for sale. Shouldn't that Mr. Rowland guy be in jail?

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My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands.

He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer.

Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun.

Fuck cancer and fuck roundup hard.

Edit: he and my mom fought invasive species and they used roundup. So maybe that's on them. That's why he got cancer.

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But this guy did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8sgEhpHM4k

And this guy drinks cyanide: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bWNpO5vvhpk My point is that being able to drink one glass of the stuff doesn't really tell me much.

Its not the single cigarette that kills you :P

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It's difficult to judge long term toxicity in humans. You don't immediately keel over and die when you smoke a cigarette, and the correlation between lung cancer and cigarettes needs a fully understandable cause. That's how the industry slipped by for years.

Likewise, most European countries do not fluoridate their water and the correlation doesn't seem to show any significant difference in dental health. The anti-fluoride people state these numbers, and then go and use the same bad logical to attribute fluoride to a host of ailments that are loosely correlated without any causation links.

Can fluoride in water lead to osteoporosis in older adults? Well we don't know, and these types of studies are very difficult to conduct because there are tons of variables. Many people drink from a combination of fluoridated and non-fluoridated water supplies and beverages throughout their lives. People move in and out of municipalities with different water treatment techniques. People have different intakes for calcium, iron, fibre, carbs throughout their entire lives. People have different genetics. When it comes to long term toxicity, it's really difficult to narrow down factors because you can't control for everything (ethically) and humans can live a long time.

It would make sense for at least some percentage of the population to have adverse reaction to Glyphosate. We all have slight genetic differences and reactions. Can it lead to specific cancers in humans consistently? Do we understand the mechanism by which it does this chemically? Can we replicate this in other animals where we control for other factors.

Just like the tobacco industry, I wouldn't put it past Monsanto to both bury and make up studies to suit their interests.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #22

"Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-pa...

Lithium ion batteries are pretty much 'safe to eat'^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H non-toxic (Edit: NOT safe to eat, as discussed below) (compared with lead-acid or nickel-cadmium batteries)... but I still wouldn't actually eat one .

Lithium in your stomach? Seriously?

Button batteries are a real risk for kids. They have died eating them. For any parent out there it's scary, button batteries are pretty common and look like a sweet or something.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/two-year-ol...

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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My dad died because of roundup. He was a physics prof, smart guy, fought hard for wetland issues. Was on the board of Wisconsin Wetlands. He didn't drink, didn't smoke, he was very active, very fit, and yet he got cancer. I can feel the down votes coming, but he was a guy that just should not have gotten cancer. Roundup gave him cancer. I could tell you stories about him dieing that would be not so fun. Fuck cancer a…

I'm very sorry for your loss. But as a cancer researcher, I can fairly confidently say that glyphosate had nothing to do with your father's death. There just isn't any evidence showing that it has direct mutagenic activity or even other indirect biological influences on the probability of developing cancer. I've also lost several fit, active nonsmoking friends and family to cancer. Our cells copy themselves imperfectly, and sometimes our inborn regulatory mechanisms go awry. There's not always a "cause", beyond the fact that our bodies aren't built to a perfect spec. There's a massive amount of work going on these days to develop entirely new classes of treatments, so I hope the clinical situation in a few decades will be brighter by far. Again, sorry for your loss.

Re: Monsanto Weed Killer Roundup Faces New Doubts on Safety in Unsealed Documents

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post #22

"Monsanto Advocate Says Roundup Is Safe Enough To Drink, Then Refuses To Drink It" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/27/monsanto-roundup-pa...

Lithium ion batteries are pretty much 'safe to eat'^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H non-toxic (Edit: NOT safe to eat, as discussed below) (compared with lead-acid or nickel-cadmium batteries)... but I still wouldn't actually eat one .

Then don't brag about how you'd be happy to actually eat one and expect to hold on to your credibility.
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