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Said the Sandy Hook shooting denier.
Holy shit. This is a thing?
Sssh - nothing to see here. Whatever you do, don't go looking for evidence or anything. Keep consuming and obeying.
Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter
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I do get it. That's why I started from the important of professionalism, of separating the professional from the personal. But I'm also pointing out the other side: that maybe, just maybe, this kind of thing crosses the line. If it was just his beliefs we wouldn't know about them in the first place. But obviously, we know about them, which means it's not just his beliefs it's his statements. If I went around on some…
> If I went around on some other private forum and said "all people who share attribute X with tps5 are sub-human and should be subservient to me" is that more or less okay? Yeah, it's okay. I would say that, because we are coworkers, you are obligated to treat me respectfully, whatever your personal beliefs. If you treat me poorly, and I complain, the issue is the fact that you treated me poorly, not your whacko bel…
I'm not sure it's possible to have certain views and maintain a respectful workplace environment, full stop.
To make an extreme hypothetical: You have a white supremacist coworker and a black coworker. The white supremacist always treats your black coworker with respect, kindness, and compassion. She also openly admits that, nothing personal, but she believes black folks are inferior and should be expelled/exterminated. Ask the black coworker, is he being treated poorly?
What's the resolution in this situation? If he knows how she feels, but she is nice to him, how do you propose resolving that?
Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter
#303Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do get it. That's why I started from the important of professionalism, of separating the professional from the personal. But I'm also pointing out the other side: that maybe, just maybe, this kind of thing crosses the line. If it was just his beliefs we wouldn't know about them in the first place. But obviously, we know about them, which means it's not just his beliefs it's his statements. If I went around on some…
I have given you an upvote, although I starkly disagree with what you're saying. Your comment is greying out. HN's own petite version of silly distolerance - disagree, hence downvote. It isn't civilized at all.
Of course people will have tolerance for some ideas and expressions and intolerance for others. Of course! We tend not to like reddit-style jokes here, and downvote those. Who speaks up for the reddit-style jokers, though?
If you really want to share ideas, and they're not well-received here, you can either refine/modify your ideas/delivery, or go somewhere else.
Complaining about downvotes, though? Man, there's a reason that's specifically called out in the guidelines.
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Karl Popper wrote on this subject and I've yet to find a suitable rebuttal. The intolerant cannot be tolerated because doing so would lead to the elimination of tolerance. His justification is whether the intolerant are willing to discuss things rationally or whether they will steamroll you without any concern for intellectual integrity.
This is a black and white interpretation. Here's your refutation: When we try to outlaw people being themselves, we overlook their needs. That isn't a productive framework and will ultimately compile into systemic issues over time. Tolerating intolerance says nothing about timberline, types of intolerance, scale, etc. It lacks make and is therefore a problematic principle for governing human behavior.
Ok, but there is very clearly a boundary on acceptable behavior that we classify as not just "being yourself." How are you planning to draw that line? This isn't some unanswerable subjectivity we're talking about, and it's more a testament to the paucity of education in America that we can't recognize rational discussion from irrational anymore.
For most other people, it's a pretty clear line. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts.
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Saying that homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals is not a "trendy idea", it's basic equality. I'm not sure why you think "employment as CEO" is the metric for whether "we" "support and debate [inequality] as an idea"
> Saying that homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals is not a "trendy idea", it's basic equality. Equality of what? Marriage is not based in physics or biology. It's a made up concept, actually concepts, plural. There are countries where it means one man + a limited number of women, there are countries where it means one man + as many women as he can afford (and can afford taking care of all the kids), there are coun…
Equality of what? Equality of ability to exercise the right to marry and have a family (eg as noted in the declaration of human rights).
As for polygamy, that's not quite got the same status, no. And the UN Human Rights ctte has called for it to be outlawed, as it already is in many US states, because it violates the dignity of women in particular. So I think that is vastly more complicated and legally murky area than two-party adult marriage.
Regardless, I fail to see how the extended riff on edge cases and the revelation that marriage isn't a physical or biological construct has anything at all to do with its trendiness.
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#306Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If I went around on some other private forum and said "all people who share attribute X with tps5 are sub-human and should be subservient to me" is that more or less okay? Yeah, it's okay. I would say that, because we are coworkers, you are obligated to treat me respectfully, whatever your personal beliefs. If you treat me poorly, and I complain, the issue is the fact that you treated me poorly, not your whacko bel…
I'm not sure it's possible to have certain views and maintain a respectful workplace environment, full stop. To make an extreme hypothetical: You have a white supremacist coworker and a black coworker. The white supremacist always treats your black coworker with respect, kindness, and compassion. She also openly admits that, nothing personal, but she believes black folks are inferior and should be expelled/exterminat…
Why is she openly admitting it? If she brings it to work that's the problem.
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#307There is an important point that is being missed in this conversation. There are facts that are undisputed by both sides of the argument: - Should a person have a right to privacy? Yes - Should a person be discriminated based on their beliefs? No - Should a person in leadership be forced to expose their private life? No There are two questions, however, that is causing everyone to trip over themselves and table-flip:…
If a person in leadership has their private life exposed (fairly or unfairly), does that affect their leadership role? This has not been a controversial question in the modern nation state for nearing about 200 years now in "the West" until several small but very vocal groups have implicitly been taking a pick-axe to what I see as a pretty basic truth: the difference between corrective action in the public vs. the pr…
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> Goreanism is not a religion, so probably doesn't count as religious discrimination. I've often wondered what the difference between a Cult and a Religion is and my best answer seems to be "4 orders of magnitude". 1000 is a cult, 10,000,000 is a Religion. If it's a numbers game then everyone religion went through a stage where it was a cult (and indeed if you look at the history of religion lots of them where treat…
> 1000 is a cult, 10,000,000 is a Religion. I don't think this holds. There are about 1,000 practicing Samaritans left in the world. They practice a faith very similar to Judaism with a comparably long history, and I think hardly anyone would call them a cult. There are >50,000 self-described Scientologists worldwide. Many different people, including some government bodies, have referred to that organization as a cul…
I would call Samaritanism a cult. I think calling Scientology a cult is misappropriation which grew from a perceived relationship between small religions and esoteric beliefs.
Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter
#309Completely turned off by the Drupal project. Don't you people have code to write?
Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter
#310Completely turned off by the Drupal project. Don't you people have code to write?