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Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by hrehhf »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #76
hrehhf wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think a lot of Turkish citizens, and the Turkish government, are frustrated with the long time it has taken and now they have become ambivalent, feeling like they will never be allowed to join the EU. Its very easy to each side to blame the other, but from the Turkish perspective, there needs to be a concrete timeline for the process. Indeed for several years there are clear problems in Turkey that would block them…

Since what happened to Greece, I think we have to be carefull who we allow. I do agree that it is taking long, Turkey tries to force themselves in the EU. I don't think that's how a future member should act. The EU had been long in the making and a country that can't join in a span of 3 years of isn't bad considered the consequences it has on both sides

> ...can't join in a span of 3 years...

Turkey first applied for membership to the EU about 30 years ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Un...

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by amckenna »

gkya wrote: post #70

So saddening the amount of ignorance and hate I see here in HN regarding my country. I wish nothing about Turkey gets submitted again here so that I can continue to visit HN as a hackers' and tech entrepreneurs' forum. You clearly don't know anything about our history. You don't even know who we are. You insult us with your superficial readings of superficial wikipedia articles. We don't need this at all. We're havin…

The author of the article doesn't represent all western views any more than you represent Turkey. However, given the fact that we have a chance to interact here (thanks Internet!) tell me/us what you would like me/us to know about your country that you feel is being seen incorrectly.

The best way to combat ignorance is through education.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by tdb7893 »

vixen99 wrote: post #89
tdb7893 wrote: post #84

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I feel like it's use as a mosque is part of its history now. as long as they don't destroy any of the history it doesn't bother me that it is a mosque. EDIT: it's -> its

its history

fixed. I blame my phone's autocorrect

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by int_19h »

hackuser wrote: post #66
int_19h wrote: post #38

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With Senate, the simple 50% majority is by design. That's consistent with most other bicameral parliaments out there, which also vote on a simple majority basis. Since the issues they can vote on are restricted by the Constitution, it's not really a big deal. The big deal is amending the Constitution itself, which is extremely difficult (if anything, probably more difficult than it should be).

> Since the issues they can vote on are restricted by the Constitution, it's not really a big deal. I don't agree. The U.S. Senate is very powerful; those restrictions aren't very broad. > the simple 50% majority is by design It depends what you mean. The filibuster, which requires 60% majority, has been part of the Senate since around the 1840s; clearly many generations of Senators thought it was important and inten…

The filibuster was always removable by a simple majority, though, so it was a self-applied restriction, not an external one. Which limited its efficiency greatly - anyone relying on filibuster knew that if they pushed too hard, it would go away.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by true_religion »

hackuser wrote: post #63
enraged_camel wrote: post #52

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Back when he was first elected in 2004, Erdogan was not the huge asshole that he is today. His party actually conducted a lot of useful reforms that were beneficial for the country. Over time though he slid into authoritarianism, and started jailing or exiling people who disagreed with him. Some people believe this was him showing his true colors, while others think it's a combination of his narcissism and severe par…

> Back when he was first elected in 2004, Erdogan was not the huge asshole that he is today. His party actually conducted a lot of useful reforms that were beneficial for the country. / Over time though he slid into authoritarianism That is the standard practice of authoritarians. Rarely do they announce before being elected, 'if you elect me, I'm going to do away with democracy and become a dictator'. First they get…

Because they're not easily identified no one should feel like they have to apologise for not guessing their nature.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by hackuser »

int_19h wrote: post #94
hackuser wrote: post #66

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> Since the issues they can vote on are restricted by the Constitution, it's not really a big deal. I don't agree. The U.S. Senate is very powerful; those restrictions aren't very broad. > the simple 50% majority is by design It depends what you mean. The filibuster, which requires 60% majority, has been part of the Senate since around the 1840s; clearly many generations of Senators thought it was important and inten…

The filibuster was always removable by a simple majority, though, so it was a self-applied restriction, not an external one. Which limited its efficiency greatly - anyone relying on filibuster knew that if they pushed too hard, it would go away.

> The filibuster was ...

It is ... it's still there, just not for confirmations of appointments by the executive branch.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by mertd »

upquark wrote: post #11
gefh wrote: post #4

Sliding? More like rushing full throttle. Ataturk would be disgusted.

What makes reddit and now HN think Ataturk was some sort of beacon of democracy? > In January 1920, Mustafa Kemal advanced his troops into Marash where the Battle of Marash ensued against the French Armenian Legion. The battle resulted in a Turkish victory alongside the massacres of 5,000–12,000 Armenians spelling the end of the remaining Armenian population in the region. He finished off the Cilician Armenians from…

Atatürk was not a beacon of democracy, he never pretended to be. As a military man, he did resort to heavy handed methods at times. The republic he left behind as his legacy is however one when you consider the circumstances. He created a secular, Muslim majority country that was aligned with the Western ideals and was even ahead of Europe in some aspects (women's suffrage). This is truly impressive considering no country in the region has been close to that level in the last century.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by ocschwar »

TillE wrote: post #7

The only thing about this which surprises me is how Erdogan seemed to really want Turkey to become a member of the EU, and yet has been actively doing everything he can to make that impossible. Then again, he tends to say and do a lot of odd things, so I guess the simple answer is to not assume any kind of competence or rational thinking from political leaders.

Mussolini may have sincerely wanted to be a run of the mill leftist.

Head of state is the kind of job that draws narcissists, and when they feel slighted, bad things happen. Checks and balances are important, yo.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by hprotagonist »

kolbe wrote: post #77
shitgoose wrote: post #69

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Saddam, Qaddafi, Assad, Mubarak? Islamic rule?

I think I used the present tense. For Libya and Egypt, last I checked, they were Islamic military dictatorships. House of Saud and the Ayatollah both functionally are dictators. I don't know what's going on in the Phillipines, but IIRC, they're falling into a dictatorship.

Duerte and the philippines are Very Catholic Indeed.

Re: Turkey is sliding into dictatorship

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Post by [deleted] »

kolbe wrote: post #77
shitgoose wrote: post #69

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Saddam, Qaddafi, Assad, Mubarak? Islamic rule?

I think I used the present tense. For Libya and Egypt, last I checked, they were Islamic military dictatorships. House of Saud and the Ayatollah both functionally are dictators. I don't know what's going on in the Phillipines, but IIRC, they're falling into a dictatorship.

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