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Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter

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Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter

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Post by sctb »

iplaw wrote: post #29

This is very true. A large portion of these so-labeled SJWs preach inclusion* and diversity^. It's all about total and blind conformity to and their constructed alternative reality, based on unquestionable and irrefutable faux-offense. * inclusion limited to like-minded individuals who share the same ideas about gender, religion, feminism, capitalism, politics, race, nationality, hair color and cut, health and body i…

The guidelines ask us not to spark flamewars like this because they're at once agitating and tediously uninsightful.

We detached this flagged subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14096908.

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Post by rhizome »

speeder wrote: post #268
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #85

> illegally obtaining information from members-only websites (by violating their terms of use) IANAL, but since when have arbitrary website terms and conditions been automatically enforced by criminal law?

Aaron Swartz case... And a bulling case I forgot the name (they used the same law that was used in Aaron Swartz to argue that the bullying people were criminals because they broke MySpace TOS). And a bunch of other cases... In US breaking TOS is literally a crime if you keep using the site (it is akin to virtual trespassing). I think such law is bullshit... but it does exist. (CFAA I think is the law name)

And a bulling case I forgot the name (they used the same law that was used in Aaron Swartz to argue that the bullying people were criminals because they broke MySpace TOS).

Lori Drew, who was acquitted.

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Post by Pxtl »

striking wrote: post #239
Pxtl wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... ouch. That really would've been nice to see in the letter. Having a pervy philosophy during kinky sex with consenting adults is a very different thing from believing women are inherently inferior.

My God. Did you honestly think it was the latter? Without even considering the less malicious of the two first?

"Brilliant Geek posts mysogyny on his spare time" happens enough that I took it at face value.

I mean, after Scott Adams and Dave Sim, it wouldn't be shocking to learn that a geek I respected had views that disgusted me.

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Post by ploxiln »

exclusiv wrote: post #263
ploxiln wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the funny thing - leftist beliefs are in fact "half the population is my lesser ". The half that are not leftist are "bad hateful people", and you hate them and do not tolerate them. I'm no republican, but I end up being more annoyed by liberals for such blatant doublethink, for being unable to recognize their own actions.

Leftists do regularly paint those with different beliefs as evil just because they have a different point of view. They also have a streak of disdain toward minorities where they start with an assumption that they can't do certain things and only the lefties can save them with overreaching policies. So while I agree with you - your second statement "annoyed by liberals" should probably be changed to "annoyed by lefti…

I didn't even notice that I used a different term - thanks for pointing that out. And the terms are probably defined differently by significant numbers of people (compare to "hacker").

So I'll go ahead and agree that there are more than a few liberals out there who seem reasonable to me, and I might even consider myself among them :)

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Post by interfixus »

Pxtl wrote: post #153
tps5 wrote: post #121

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I don't think you get it. It doesn't matter what some guy posts on some message board (unless it's a threat, an incitement of violence, or something along those lines). It doesn't matter if he says he believes in "Gorean philosophy," whatever the hell that is. What matters are his actions. If he's treating women disrespectfully then, by all means, throw him out. But he's allowed to believe whatever the hell he wants,…

I do get it. That's why I started from the important of professionalism, of separating the professional from the personal. But I'm also pointing out the other side: that maybe, just maybe, this kind of thing crosses the line. If it was just his beliefs we wouldn't know about them in the first place. But obviously, we know about them, which means it's not just his beliefs it's his statements. If I went around on some…

I have given you an upvote, although I starkly disagree with what you're saying.

Your comment is greying out. HN's own petite version of silly distolerance - disagree, hence downvote. It isn't civilized at all.

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Post by mcphage »

julie1 wrote: post #11

It convinces me Code Of Conduct are basically sticks that will not harm you when you are on the right side of them. Do communities needs sticks to be driven one sided way like cows? At this point it feels like they kind of defy their reason to be and are pretty misused.

He didn't break their CoC, and he wasn't kicked out for a CoC violation. As far as their CoC was concerned, he was fine.

Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter

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Post by rsyring »

simias wrote: post #229
michaelsbradley wrote: post #194

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The whole keep-public-and-private-life-separate principle can itself be problematic. That is, it's not always clear what that even means. If it's the same as "never, ever do/say something offensive to current-day 'progressives'" , then we have a problem. Speaking as a Christian, I actively seek to more deeply integrate my beliefs into every aspect of my existence: how I do my work and fulfill my responsibilities, how…

I'm not saying that you should hide yourself for being christian. I wouldn't have any problem working with somebody having religious themed personal items on their desk. That's your private space as far as I'm concerned. I've worked with a catholic guy who told me he prostested the same-sex marriage law in france. I completely disagree with his position but we just stopped the discussion at this point and we kept wor…

> or even wear anti-abortion shirts or stuff like that then yeah, I might ask you to tone it down.

If someone wore a t-shirt in support of the LGBTQ+ life style, would you ask them to "tone it down"?

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Post by Pxtl »

giaour wrote: post #247
Pxtl wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do get it. That's why I started from the important of professionalism, of separating the professional from the personal. But I'm also pointing out the other side: that maybe, just maybe, this kind of thing crosses the line. If it was just his beliefs we wouldn't know about them in the first place. But obviously, we know about them, which means it's not just his beliefs it's his statements. If I went around on some…

If you acted on that belief in a public or professional capacity, then that would not be OK. "Acted" need not be defined overly restrictively -- openly advocating for a specific policy or state of affairs, running for office on a specific platform, even openly declaring membership in an organization that seeks to enact your beliefs could all be construed as actions given the right circumstances. If instead you were d…

> If instead you were discussing your sexual preferences on a private forum, then I would owe you an apology for having invaded your privacy.

Yeah, the fact that the letter doesn't mention that this was a BSDM thing - that these statements are part of a sex-play thing and should be regarded in that context - is kind of frustrating. I don't think casual readers are expected to know what "Gorean Philosophy" is.

I mention this because last time I saw "comments came out from a public figure on a private paywalled forum" it was about holocaust denial and the commentator was a journalist.

This thing being a sex thing hadn't entered my mind at all.

Re: Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter

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Post by sctb »

cheez wrote: post #72
slaunchwise wrote: post #45

I'm really struggling to figure why I should give a fuck about what, who or how Larry Garfield fucks.

First they came for Larry's penis and I did not speak out, because it was not my penis.

Please don't post unsubstantively like this here.
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