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Drupal Confessions – An Open Letter

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Post by Pxtl »

maxlybbert wrote: post #165
Pxtl wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leftist beliefs aren't "half the population is my lesser ". Seriously, would you make excuses like this for a pro-ISIS muslim? A white nationalist? A violent anarchist? An antisemitic holocaust denier? Believing that one person is less human than the other by the attributes of their birth is not a philosophical discussion like capitalism vs communism. If witches are actually doing damage , then by all means hunt them…

> If witches are actually doing damage , then by all means hunt them. Thank you for confirming my point: there are people who believe McCarthy was wrong only because he picked the wrong targets. If he had picked other targets, the resulting witch hunts would have been acceptable.

> there are people who believe McCarthy was wrong only because he picked the wrong targets.

"Actually doing damage" is a fairly good discriminator, imho.

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Post by mercer »

humanrebar wrote: post #52
Udo wrote: post #44

Expanding on one of the comments that might clear up what we're actually talking about (which wasn't made especially clear otherwise): >> "The Gorean philosophy promoted by Larry is based on the principle that women are evolutionarily predisposed to serve men and that the natural order is for men to dominate and lead." Even assuming this is Larry's philosophy, it is pretty much the same philosophy shared by many wome…

> ...as long as that belief is not in some way construed as a community value... I honestly don't care about that even, as long as people can discuss their ideas and leave the group if they're done tolerating each other. > It's one of the simple facts of life that you pretty have to work with people who believe all kinds of things... In popular usage, "tolerance" is slowly becoming synonymous with "acceptance" or "ce…

> In popular usage, "tolerance" is slowly becoming synonymous with "acceptance" or "celebration". But in reality, you just described real tolerance right here. It's a good balance because we can absolutely agree to disagree and be part of a healthy community anyway. Keeping "tolerance" as tolerance is the best recipe for actual diversity of identity and thought in my opinion.

http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything...

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Post by rszrama »

jacquesm wrote: post #9

> We know that you have no desire for more press coverage, Dries. The last thing you want is to prolong the media parade that has drawn so much attention to the problems with Drupal governance. That must be why they chose to do this in public rather than in a private letter. As much as I agree with the contents of the letter I reject the way in which it was delivered, it is essentially blackmail. If you don't do 'x'…

Non sequitur, but you might be at least comforted by Drupal 9 abandoning the philosophy of backwards incompatibility. : )

http://buytaert.net/making-drupal-upgrades-easy-forever

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Post by rszrama »

vertex-four wrote: post #123
julie1 wrote: post #11

It convinces me Code Of Conduct are basically sticks that will not harm you when you are on the right side of them. Do communities needs sticks to be driven one sided way like cows? At this point it feels like they kind of defy their reason to be and are pretty misused.

The Code of Conduct didn't even come into this - the community leader asked Larry to leave the community when he figured that the board reviewing the supposed violation wasn't going to find that it actually was a violation. Or, in other words, this was someone completely ignoring the process because he was in a position of power.

That's not true by anyone's accounting of the events, including the aggrieved's.

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Post by Turing_Machine »

coldpie wrote: post #167
Turing_Machine wrote: post #160

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Given that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton were also opposed to gay marriage at that time, would you agree that that they should also have been disqualified? If not, why not?

I don't think it's an interesting comparison, given one is a choice between two "lesser evils" and elected by three hundred million citizens VS the other being a leader of a private company appointed by a board from a pool of presumably many (or at least several) valid candidates. Totally different scenarios. But yes, it was a big black mark against them and they, too, received lots of public pressure to change their…

Sorry, why should a public official should be held to a lower standard than the director of a private company? I'm not seeing that.

Most observers believe that the passage of Proposition 8 in California had far more to do with black churches turning out for Barack Obama than it did with contributions from people like Eich.

Edit: updating with citation.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/11...

70% of black voters supported Proposition 8, which means that they were against gay marriage.

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Post by enord »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #157
enord wrote: post #55

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>Gor is not just a flavor of porn, it is full philosophy of gender relationships. E.g. it does not just says "this gets me off", it says "this is nature of men/women, modern society is suppressing that nature and that is wrong". Some are in it for sex, but quite clearly others are in it because they believe in philosophy and attempt to live by it as much as possible/legal. It's a series of fantasy f*#%ing novels, ofc…

"It's a series of fantasy f#%ing novels, of course it's role-play." It seems so to me as well. There probably are people who take it a bit too far, just as there are in most fan groups (e.g., people who get cosmetic surgery to look like anime characters, etc.), but I don't recall hearing of any rash of abuse cases involving Goreans (apologies if that's not the right term). I'm wondering just how far this goes. I have…

It seems to me to go just so far as one is willing to believe thought can be a crime in itself.

"Oh so you believe this or that? Well you now embody those beliefs and are complicit in all crimes motivated by them. Your mere presence is oppressive to people who have been slighted by actions or words motivated by the same beliefs. May your career end and your friends abandon you."

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Post by vertex-four »

rszrama wrote: post #174
vertex-four wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Code of Conduct didn't even come into this - the community leader asked Larry to leave the community when he figured that the board reviewing the supposed violation wasn't going to find that it actually was a violation. Or, in other words, this was someone completely ignoring the process because he was in a position of power.

That's not true by anyone's accounting of the events, including the aggrieved's.

> That information, Garfield says, made it to Drupal's Community Working Group (CWG), which concluded there was no code of conduct violation.

Or, from his own writing on the subject:

> Eventually that information made it to the Community Working Group (CWG), who concluded "there was no code of conduct violation present for [them] to take any action on".

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Post by jacquesm »

rszrama wrote: post #173
jacquesm wrote: post #9

> We know that you have no desire for more press coverage, Dries. The last thing you want is to prolong the media parade that has drawn so much attention to the problems with Drupal governance. That must be why they chose to do this in public rather than in a private letter. As much as I agree with the contents of the letter I reject the way in which it was delivered, it is essentially blackmail. If you don't do 'x'…

Non sequitur, but you might be at least comforted by Drupal 9 abandoning the philosophy of backwards incompatibility. : ) http://buytaert.net/making-drupal-upgrades-easy-forever

Smart move on their part but about 5 major versions late.

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Post by redsummer »

mnglkhn2 wrote: post #146
redsummer wrote: post #54

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"Diversity in everything except thought" is the mantra. The problem with this is that to solve problems you need diversity in thought: https://hbr.org/2017/03/teams-solve-problems-faster-when-the...

It is a social construct to try and keep everyone at peace. The alternative would be a society with fault lines along racial and religious beliefs. And this would most likely lead to conflict. So, if you don't want conflict, then you need to integrate in some ways. You don't want to have identities develop and take hold. At that point it gets complicated. For instance, in Brazil, once you know you are a person confin…

In Brazil, American ideas of affirmative action have been imported. This leads to unsavoury situations where nose width and skull shape are being measured to determine who gets a job.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/05/brazils-new-problem-with...

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Post by marbletiles »

dorfsmay wrote: post #151
lr4444lr wrote: post #87

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CEOs serve at will. Their job duties include being an emissary to the industry, and leading the company's reputation. I say what happened to Garfield was wrong, but agree that the Mozilla board made the right decision on Eich, who could not effectively carry out his general duties given the PR liability he became - not of his own making even. They didn't say he couldn't be a part of the org. as a lead software archit…

To me, the message was "Mozilla is about promoting trendy idea", rather than openness. If we cannot support and debate "wrong" ideas, then we're not very open in my opinion.

Saying that homosexuals are equal to heterosexuals is not a "trendy idea", it's basic equality. I'm not sure why you think "employment as CEO" is the metric for whether "we" "support and debate [inequality] as an idea"
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