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What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by rattler »

lightbyte wrote: post #110
tectec wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. They can keep Windows 10 going for a few years yet (maybe up to 5?). That will give them time to work on cross-platform .NET, so new development will be an easy switch, and good quality Win32 emulation, which will be built someway on the work done on Wine.

>My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows that Microsoft is making. It will be continuously updated instead of new versions being released.

I find it very hard to believe that 10 the last version of windows.

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by nol13 »

nailer wrote: post #76
dcw303 wrote: post #14

The inotify implementation looks very promising! Editing source files in a Windows-native IDE and having changes picked up by, say, node.js is a great workflow. I'm yet to try it out, but I wonder if the problems with editing files in the linux filesystem[0] is going to be an issue with this? [0]: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2016/11/17/do-n...

Microsoft: I suspect this blog post is out of date and that, post creators update, this is now safe. If so, maybe you want to edit it?

Wait so you CAN edit linux filesystem files with windows tools now?

That was the main tripping point for me last time I tried out the WSL workflow. Mainly just because a bunch of files in our repo were apparently named in an ntfs unfriendly manner, so when I tried to merge etc. the repo would get corrupted.

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by amyjess »

nailer wrote: post #112
nailer wrote: post #75

Windows Console folk: any chance of tabs in the official terminal? Current Windows terminal options: - ConEmu: mainly excellent but a little dated - eg, the active tab color is hard to distinguish but it can't be changed, apparently due to maintainer's insistence it works on Windows XP. - Hyper: excellent but Ctrl C, Ctrl R etc broken in powershell. Adding tabs to the Windows console makes more sense than have a thir…

Edit for folks having trouble understanding: the post you're replying to literally mentions two of the best tabbed terminals for Windows. That's not the problem. A fast, inbuilt, 2017-era terminal is. - ConEmu has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Hyper still fails at basic shortcuts. - ConEmu plus other software still has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Some person's half maintained fork of putty is some…

It would be nice if someone ported Konsole to Windows. A number of other KDE apps have already been ported, so hopefully it won't be too painful.

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by laumars »

badminton1 wrote: post #117
laumars wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

bash.exe on Windows is also GNU Bash: C:\Users\laumars>bash --version GNU bash, version 4.3.11(1)-release (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 2013 Free Software Foundation, Inc. License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later This is free software; you are free to change and redistribute it. There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. The rest of the subsystem isn't called "bash", it's called "Windows System for…

Linux, BSD, Solaris, etc. have significant differences among them, and the source code needs to be aware of them. Same with all crossplatform software. But from the perspective of a Linux binary running on WSL, running on WSL should be the same as running on Linux. If bash is an exception to that, that seems more like a hack on Microsoft's part. If they implemented the execve() syscall and others, starting whatever o…

I'm not going to disagree with you there but then I did cover that point myself about 2 posts earlier.

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by Notre1 »

nailer wrote: post #112
nailer wrote: post #75

Windows Console folk: any chance of tabs in the official terminal? Current Windows terminal options: - ConEmu: mainly excellent but a little dated - eg, the active tab color is hard to distinguish but it can't be changed, apparently due to maintainer's insistence it works on Windows XP. - Hyper: excellent but Ctrl C, Ctrl R etc broken in powershell. Adding tabs to the Windows console makes more sense than have a thir…

Edit for folks having trouble understanding: the post you're replying to literally mentions two of the best tabbed terminals for Windows. That's not the problem. A fast, inbuilt, 2017-era terminal is. - ConEmu has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Hyper still fails at basic shortcuts. - ConEmu plus other software still has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Some person's half maintained fork of putty is some…

Out of curiosity, what tabbed terminals on other platforms would you consider to be significantly better than ConEmu/Hyper? (I've never actually used any GUI platform other than Windows for any length of time, so I would be interested in seeing what other people do use.)

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by thanksgiving »

lightbyte wrote: post #110
tectec wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. They can keep Windows 10 going for a few years yet (maybe up to 5?). That will give them time to work on cross-platform .NET, so new development will be an easy switch, and good quality Win32 emulation, which will be built someway on the work done on Wine.

>My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows that Microsoft is making. It will be continuously updated instead of new versions being released.

There is an ancient story about an old ship with all its parts replaced and the question was when does it stop being the old ship and become a new ship? If Windows has a Linux kernel, is it still Windows? I guess Windows is whatever Microsoft calls Windows?

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by thanksgiving »

lightbyte wrote: post #110
tectec wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. They can keep Windows 10 going for a few years yet (maybe up to 5?). That will give them time to work on cross-platform .NET, so new development will be an easy switch, and good quality Win32 emulation, which will be built someway on the work done on Wine.

>My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows that Microsoft is making. It will be continuously updated instead of new versions being released.

There is an ancient story about an old ship with all its parts replaced and the question was when does it stop being the old ship and become a new ship? If Windows has a Linux kernel, is it still Windows? I guess Windows is whatever Microsoft calls Windows?

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

#128

Post by thanksgiving »

lightbyte wrote: post #110
tectec wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. They can keep Windows 10 going for a few years yet (maybe up to 5?). That will give them time to work on cross-platform .NET, so new development will be an easy switch, and good quality Win32 emulation, which will be built someway on the work done on Wine.

>My theory is that the next version of Windows is going to use the Linux kernel. Windows 10 is the last version of Windows that Microsoft is making. It will be continuously updated instead of new versions being released.

There is an ancient story about an old ship with all its parts replaced and the question was when does it stop being the old ship and become a new ship? If Windows has a Linux kernel, is it still Windows? I guess Windows is whatever Microsoft calls Windows?

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by laumars »

barrkel wrote: post #97
laumars wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can argue about whether "nightmare" is overstating the problem but let's be honest that it's easily more than just "a bit annoying". The installer took an hour on one system and the options in those 5-10 pages are far from user friendly. Sure it's stuff I can manage being a seasoned Linux sysadmin but frankly I've found installing ArchLinux (with it's deliberately anti-user approach) easier; never mind your more "…

For problematic processes, I use kill -W -- that uses the TerminateProcess Win32 API, rather than Cygwin's POSIX implementation. I also use it to kill things like the Windows Update full-screen overlay on Windows 10.

That's handy to know. Thank you very much!

Re: What’s New in Bash/WSL and Windows Console

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Post by nailer »

tjoff wrote: post #119
nailer wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Edit for folks having trouble understanding: the post you're replying to literally mentions two of the best tabbed terminals for Windows. That's not the problem. A fast, inbuilt, 2017-era terminal is. - ConEmu has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Hyper still fails at basic shortcuts. - ConEmu plus other software still has a UI that's a shotgun blast of shit. - Some person's half maintained fork of putty is some…

ConEmu has the best UI I've ever seen in a terminal. Way better than anything I've seen in *nix.

I use ConEmu for 5 hours a day. it's the best terminal on Windows, but its UI is absolutely awful https://conemu.github.io/img/ConEmu-Maximus5.png https://conemu.github.io/img/Settings-Main.png

- Minimal contrast in active tabs - can't be fixed due to Windows XP support.

- Flashes it's hidden console proxy on screen continually

- Settings menu with around 5000 options and no sense of heirarchy - something that's rare is just as prominent as something that's common

- Giant colorful icons and wasted space in the title bar. I can't throw my mouse to the top and pick a tab when it's maximised.

- Freaks out when your console is too large

- Does a bunch of things better done elsewhere: my profile bash/powershell profile sets environment variables, I don't need my terminal to do this.

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