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Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

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Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

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At my last employer, there were a few "mainframers" (we called them). I was curious so I would ask my mainframer coworker how things worked on his end. I always struggled to understand, because it seemed everything was different ... the terminology, the culture, the ideas. I couldn't use analogy to tie what he was describing back to what I knew.

You got that right. I had to deal with an interesting banking file format and I asked a question on Stack Overflow and got this gem of an answer. I politely accepted it as the right answer but boy oh boy does it feel like it's from an alien civilization. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28640159/what-is-the-diff...

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Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#42

Cobol expert = $1,000 an hour rate. Great niche, but eventually will get replaced. Awesome marketing and PR for his company Cobol Cowboys ( http://cobolcowboys.com . > His wife Eileen came up with the name in a reference to "Space Cowboys," a 2000 movie about a group of retired Air Force pilots called in for a trouble-shooting mission in space. The company's slogan? "Not our first rodeo."

It says 100$/h not 1k. It doesn't seem so great the marketing from a developer POV if it is true that they can normally get 1k/h.

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#44

Cobol expert = $1,000 an hour rate. Great niche, but eventually will get replaced. Awesome marketing and PR for his company Cobol Cowboys ( http://cobolcowboys.com . > His wife Eileen came up with the name in a reference to "Space Cowboys," a 2000 movie about a group of retired Air Force pilots called in for a trouble-shooting mission in space. The company's slogan? "Not our first rodeo."

We have 50,000 lines of RPG code we need to replace over the next decade. Since the last RPG dev at our company is over 65 years old and can retire at any moment. It's going to be funny when we replace it with Java and our business guys ask why it runs much slower.

I never wrote RPG code, but 50k LOC seems a pretty small project to me...

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#45
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At my last employer, there were a few "mainframers" (we called them). I was curious so I would ask my mainframer coworker how things worked on his end. I always struggled to understand, because it seemed everything was different ... the terminology, the culture, the ideas. I couldn't use analogy to tie what he was describing back to what I knew.

You got that right. I had to deal with an interesting banking file format and I asked a question on Stack Overflow and got this gem of an answer. I politely accepted it as the right answer but boy oh boy does it feel like it's from an alien civilization. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/28640159/what-is-the-diff...

I just lost a chunk of time checking out the user who supplied the answer:

http://stackoverflow.com/users/1927206/bill-woodger

This one was great:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15008999/can-anybody-tell...

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#46
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Yeah, $100 an hour for contract COBOL expertise sounds very low, but maybe I underestimate the number of COBOL people still around.

A lot of COBOL stuff is cut and paste crap, or just updating basic fields. There are people paying as little as $35/hr for these types of people, although most of the people at that rate are barely qualified to turn the computer on.

To be perfectly fair, turning on a mainframe or minicomputer is a nontrivial operation.

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

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post #18

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Technically IT is a tool its their to service the business requirements.

That used to be true - up until sometime in the late 1970s/early 80s. Since then, banks are IT. Take that away and what's left?

Made me think of the following Doctorow quote:

  There are no airplanes, only computers that fly. There 
  are no cars, only computers we sit in. There are no 
  hearing aids, only computers we put in our ears. There 
  are no 3D printers, only computers that drive 
  peripherals. There are no radios, only computers with 
  fast ADCs and DACs and phased-array antennas.
http://craphound.com/news/2011/12/27/the-coming-war-on-gener...

It's perhaps natural this extends from the computers to the companies that make them: There are no banks, only financial IT companies. There are no TV broadcasters, only media IT companies. Et cetera.

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#48

Cobol expert = $1,000 an hour rate. Great niche, but eventually will get replaced. Awesome marketing and PR for his company Cobol Cowboys ( http://cobolcowboys.com . > His wife Eileen came up with the name in a reference to "Space Cowboys," a 2000 movie about a group of retired Air Force pilots called in for a trouble-shooting mission in space. The company's slogan? "Not our first rodeo."

If I made $1000/hour, I would only need to do that for like 3 or 4 years before I could retire.

Re: Banks scramble to fix old systems as IT 'cowboys' ride into sunset

#49

Cobol expert = $1,000 an hour rate. Great niche, but eventually will get replaced. Awesome marketing and PR for his company Cobol Cowboys ( http://cobolcowboys.com . > His wife Eileen came up with the name in a reference to "Space Cowboys," a 2000 movie about a group of retired Air Force pilots called in for a trouble-shooting mission in space. The company's slogan? "Not our first rodeo."

If I made $1000/hour, I would only need to do that for like 3 or 4 years before I could retire.

You're not billing out 8 hours a day 52 weeks a year - typically - when billing $1,000/hr :)

That's generally why you charge $1,000/hr to begin with.

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