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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by exclusiv » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 7:12 PM UTC

metaxy2 wrote: post #232

js2 wrote: post #223

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You can find good food in most medium-sized and larger cities but you have to seek it out. And the local treasure may surprise you. Food trucks have been great for finding tasty fare the last decade or so. That said, I do think there are two standout foods that are ubiquitous in America although they vary by region. 1) bbq; 2) the sandwich. Behold the great American sandwich in all its varied forms: https://www.nytim…

Really top-notch American barbecue really doesn't get enough credit. The best BBQ places deliver a head-trip, pleasure-overload, "this is so good I'm going to die" experience that matches any haute cuisine you can find.

So true. It doesn't get the credit because it's often eaten at a picnic table with lots of napkins. It also uses a lot of cheaper meats. BBQ doesn't apologize for that though. What it does to cuts like pork shoulder is magical though. I smoked a hand made pizza once with cherry wood at like 700+ degrees in my BGE and it was the best pizza I've ever had. I haven't been able to replicate it though because I haven't done it enough to be consistent.

I think BBQ will eventually get it's due. We're seeing a lot of chefs take common, cheaper dishes and make them more upscale and interesting to larger audiences and foodies. One of the best dishes I ever had was dinuguan [1] at Paul Qui's (Top Chef winner) restaurant in Austin.

I don't think Americans have a huge problem with food as the parent suggests. I'm biased of course but I prefer it how it is. We don't need a singular identity. We have places like Napa, Vegas, NY and San Fran that stack up against any city in the world, even though our history is short. We attract top talent from everywhere and the melting pot delivers vastly different experiences. You can come to the US and visit New York, New Orleans and the Pacific Northwest and get amazing food with completely different styles and cultural identities.

Why do we need a unified food? Why is that important?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinuguan

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by mythrwy » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 7:13 PM UTC

occultist_throw wrote: post #183

stagbeetle wrote: post #167

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A rash rejection of dialog. Plants are very lowly sentient through structures that are the plant-counterparts to animalian neurons. They communicate with other plants and they sense what can be described as "pain." But, I don't think arguing on the sentience of an unprotected kingdom will further this discussion. The discussion on animal welfare seems to be an emotional one alone. As long as our mirror neurons aren't…

Ive always found in the quieter parts of Silicon Valley and areas, there does exist a merge between the technological and something else. I've seen this something else be called luck, magic, parapsychology.. Many names. But I've also found that it is indeed whispered and talked of behind the scenes. I've learned these arts as well, to hear the ebb and flow of what goes on around me. Many times, I can feel the data go…

Sometimes people confuse what they envision with what they perceive.

But given that what we perceive is in most cases so heavily filtered through what we believe, I'm not sure this is necessarily a conceptual mistake.

Envisioning something in the minds eye isn't necessarily a sense but it's pretty close. I do think it's a good idea to regard envisioning as property of our own mind however rather than relating it entirely to external phenomenon. Which should also be more widely practiced with perceptions in general IMOP.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by maverick_iceman » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 7:46 PM UTC

Hexcles wrote: post #118

Animal welfare aside, I find people in North America really in favour of chicken breast, much more than other parts, say chicken thigh. Yet I myself think chicken thigh tastes much better, especially with the skin (yet again it is usually skinless in supermarkets here, unfortunately). Is it because of nutrition (percentage of fat/protein etc.)? On top of that, chicken feet are considered unacceptable by many...

Good for those of use who prefer chicken thigh with skin.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by occultist_throw » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 7:48 PM UTC

mythrwy wrote: post #282

occultist_throw wrote: post #183

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Ive always found in the quieter parts of Silicon Valley and areas, there does exist a merge between the technological and something else. I've seen this something else be called luck, magic, parapsychology.. Many names. But I've also found that it is indeed whispered and talked of behind the scenes. I've learned these arts as well, to hear the ebb and flow of what goes on around me. Many times, I can feel the data go…

Sometimes people confuse what they envision with what they perceive. But given that what we perceive is in most cases so heavily filtered through what we believe, I'm not sure this is necessarily a conceptual mistake. Envisioning something in the minds eye isn't necessarily a sense but it's pretty close. I do think it's a good idea to regard envisioning as property of our own mind however rather than relating it enti…

I had considered that to be a plausible avenue - that it was all just in my head. Indeed, I could just be self-selecting phenomenon that I've done as proof that something else exists.

The key out of this mind-trap is unbiased 3rd parties.

For example, consider this. You're by yourself. You do something "magical". It conjures an invisible dragon around you. It has a distinct shape and look. Ok. So this is in your head, as per your comment above.

Now, you go to the local book store, and you meet some friends. You're not talking about any of your private practices. One friend looks at you and your shoulder and says, what's with the dragon thing around you?

Is it really there? Someone else selected 2 unique details about it out of nothing. Or, did your subconscious chose the reality that someone chose to say that to you, reaffirming your belief? Or what? Mere coincidence? (There is no such thing as coincidence in this world, only the inevitable.)

How many times one must go through with "interesting" happenings with others, whom have no clue what you're doing? We will never receive 100% proof.. But then again, a zero knowledge proof doesn't provide 100% certainty.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kcanini » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 7:57 PM UTC

krona wrote: post #274

ddoran wrote: post #210

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> discounting welfare issues, you can do what you want with them if you're the owner I'm not sure what you mean when you say "discounting welfare issues". Sure, if you discount the laws that protect dogs, they're not protected, but The Animal Welfare act (2006) does exist, very much does protect dogs from people "doing what you want with them" and is enforced. Of course, that protection is not offered at all costs. I…

In other words, people can do what they want with their dogs. They just need to kill them first. There are lots of ways you can do that, but starvation isn't one of them, because that's a welfare issue. Seems pretty obvious.

What? No. You cannot just kill your dog for any reason. That is illegal, immoral, and inhumane.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by mythrwy » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 8:04 PM UTC

occultist_throw wrote: post #284

mythrwy wrote: post #282

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Sometimes people confuse what they envision with what they perceive. But given that what we perceive is in most cases so heavily filtered through what we believe, I'm not sure this is necessarily a conceptual mistake. Envisioning something in the minds eye isn't necessarily a sense but it's pretty close. I do think it's a good idea to regard envisioning as property of our own mind however rather than relating it enti…

I had considered that to be a plausible avenue - that it was all just in my head. Indeed, I could just be self-selecting phenomenon that I've done as proof that something else exists. The key out of this mind-trap is unbiased 3rd parties. For example, consider this. You're by yourself. You do something "magical". It conjures an invisible dragon around you. It has a distinct shape and look. Ok. So this is in your head…

There's a lot we don't understand about how things relate and how our minds work and the deeper nature of reality sure.

But also we sometimes correlate things that aren't necessarily correlated because we are just walking talking shitting correlation machines and it's what we do.

I don't mean to say "all in your head" like it's a bad thing though. My opinion is that most things are at the end of the day so I hope it's not offensive.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kcanini » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 8:11 PM UTC

ArtDev wrote: post #248

pavlov wrote: post #39

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Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?

After raising my own egg chickens and butchering some of them, my perspective really changed. Chickens are surprisingly smart. After we left our hobby farm I decided to not eat anything smarter than a fish. (I don't eat octopus) I like being Pescatarian. I do try to avoid wild fish for ethical/environmental reasons. Food animals should always come from a farm, obviously.

> Food animals should always come from a farm, obviously.

I am a vegetarian, and I disagree with this. I feel that it is more ethical to kill and eat an animal that has at least been given a chance to live a free and natural life, vs. confining it to a prison from birth.

Of course, it would be impossible to maintain humanity's current level of meat consumption without animal farms. I would prefer that people dramatically reduce their meat consumption, and eat only hunted/caught animals.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kcanini » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 8:17 PM UTC

ikurei wrote: post #34

qubyte wrote: post #29

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Not if we're talking about advances in textured vegetable protein. When I read "fake meat" I take it to mean that it's not animal derived. Otherwise it'd just be meat.

Still, we can do something about it right now. We may need meat, but we don't need meat in every meal; if we reduced the consumption of meat, we could conceivably switch to more expensive, less efficient, more humane ways to grow animals. If you can afford it, you can also only buy meat from non-intensive farming. Or stop eating meat all together. I just don't think it's morally right to wait for a solution that may…

> We may need meat

ProTip: we don't need meat.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by krona » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 8:22 PM UTC

kcanini wrote: post #285

krona wrote: post #274

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In other words, people can do what they want with their dogs. They just need to kill them first. There are lots of ways you can do that, but starvation isn't one of them, because that's a welfare issue. Seems pretty obvious.

What? No. You cannot just kill your dog for any reason. That is illegal, immoral, and inhumane.

Immoral, perhaps. Inhumane, not necessarily. Illegal, no. (Where I live, obviously.)

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kcanini » Mon, Apr 10, 2017, 8:27 PM UTC

mirimir wrote: post #85

andrelaszlo wrote: post #75

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But we do have a lot of reasons to believe that animals can and do suffer, but no, or very few, reasons to believe that carrots can. It's also not so black or white. Does a cow have greater "capacity for suffering" than an oyster? Does this have ethical consequences? I think it does.

Yes, I agree re animals vs plants and suffering. And yes, maybe oysters are closer to plants than cows, in that regard. But it's not just about suffering. It's about the morality of killing other lifeforms. Personally, I'm OK with it. I'll be eaten after I die. Indeed, I'm always under attack from bacteria, yeast, molds, etc. But I won't eat anything that I wouldn't kill myself.

> But I won't eat anything that I wouldn't kill myself.

Have you actually, personally, killed a cow, chicken, or pig?