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Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by idiot74 »

kefka wrote: post #86
idiot74 wrote: post #70

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> Unless one is producing their own vegetables, industrial production of them is no different than meat. This post lacks common sense. Processing and feeding animals uses far more resources than processing crops (especially since crops are often processed in order to feed animals...). "The efficiency with which various animals convert grain into protein varies widely. With cattle in feedlots, it takes roughly 7 kilog…

As a grain, it is poisonous to me, as I am diabetic. However, the fish, chicken, pork, or beef are not. I can eat them as I choose.

That's great and totally not the point I was making. My point was to counteract the claim that animal and crop production are equivalent in their impact on the environment, which is not accurate.

Whether it is worth the environmental impact is a different issue. Interestingly, googling 'vegetarian diabetic diet' suggests that a vegetarian diet may be healthier for diabetic people:

"Vegetarianism excludes high-calorie foods and animal products laden with saturated fats. It instead concentrates on foods that give necessary minerals and vitamins that help give diabetics a better chance of blood glucose control."

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/vegetarian-diet.html

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by vetinari »

mirimir wrote: post #72
Luc wrote: post #59

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> I kind of like it when I can watch my food being happy before I eat it. There's an inkling of empathy there, I suppose. It's a start.

Happy food is healthier. Bad vibes have physical correlates. That's part of kosher/halal standards.

Really? Many consider kosher/halal to be a torture.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Chris2048 »

corin_ wrote: post #76
jsz0 wrote: post #52

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> "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free." Forcing (?) billions of people to change their eating habits is a far more difficult task than a quaint little Civil War to settle slavery.

America isn't the only country where slavery existed, and both slavery and animal welfare can be tackled in a region without having to change the entire world at the exact same moment. If enough people in, for example, the US felt as strongly about not eating animals as they do/did about not having human slaves, they could have another "quaint" civil war (or maybe a political argument that could achieve the same thin…

The same is true of anything. If enough people felt that everyone should go to church on Sunday, a civil war would settle that point too.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by Chris2048 »

pavlov wrote: post #39
SerLava wrote: post #31

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>Waiting for "fake meat" to fix the problem is like saying: "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free." It's kind of like that... except that slaves were people - not chickens. Which certainly flavors the metaphor a bit.

Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?

I think if human slaves where forced to live like regular chickens, they'd suffer too. What does a happy chicken make?

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by koolba »

Chris2048 wrote: post #95
pavlov wrote: post #39

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Absolutely. That's the crux of the issue: do chickens' lives and feelings have any value? If so, how should society impose that value system on an enormous industry that optimizes to extract value from chickens' suffering?

I think if human slaves where forced to live like regular chickens, they'd suffer too. What does a happy chicken make?

> What does a happy chicken make?

Same thing a sad or lonely chicken makes: food.

Since happiness is generally associated with good health I'd wager happier chickens are healthier, ergo, tastier.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

jmngomes wrote: post #74
ncr100 wrote: post #15

Fake meat cannot come soon enough - poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner resulting in dead tissue inside it while it was still alive. I wonder if it was painful for the bird having this tough dead tissue at the core of its breasts.

>> poor bird was encouraged to grow in an unhealthy manner The bird was not "encouraged to grow", it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains... >> I wonder if it was painful for the bird I seems very safe to assume that it didn't have a remotely pleasant or normal life...

> it was forcefully bred by a corporation that treated it like trash to increase their financial gains

The same could be said for plants.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by projectorlochsa »

jsz0 wrote: post #52
pavlov wrote: post #27

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This is just the tip of the iceberg in how animals are treated. Industrial meat production practically runs its margins on increasing the suffering of animals in a manner that narrowly avoids this kind of visible anomalies in the product. As many others have noted in the past, slave labor and concentration camps operated on a similar industrial calculus of forcibly squeezing out value from living beings before puttin…

> "I can't wait until we can grow zombies to pick cotton, then all the slaves can finally go free." Forcing (?) billions of people to change their eating habits is a far more difficult task than a quaint little Civil War to settle slavery.

In absolute numbers there are more slaves today than in any moment in history of humanity.

Speciesist and anthropocentric mentality that is reinforced by world's most popular ideologies - shallow postmodernism, christianity and other religious ideologies - is what keeps this stuff alive.

It is a shame war is necessary to force people to abandon congitive dissonance and start making a better place of this world. At least we in first world countries have all the time to make the change and be the role model, but we seem to be doing business-as-usual, at least the majority of us.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

qubyte wrote: post #29
pavlov wrote: post #27

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This is just the tip of the iceberg in how animals are treated. Industrial meat production practically runs its margins on increasing the suffering of animals in a manner that narrowly avoids this kind of visible anomalies in the product. As many others have noted in the past, slave labor and concentration camps operated on a similar industrial calculus of forcibly squeezing out value from living beings before puttin…

Not if we're talking about advances in textured vegetable protein. When I read "fake meat" I take it to mean that it's not animal derived. Otherwise it'd just be meat.

The fake meat of the future will not be just sophisticated pressed tofu but rather a manufactured protein more closely simulating the original animal variety.

Re: What is this colored fiber in my chicken?

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Post by mirimir »

vetinari wrote: post #93
mirimir wrote: post #72

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Happy food is healthier. Bad vibes have physical correlates. That's part of kosher/halal standards.

Really? Many consider kosher/halal to be a torture.

Yes, I know.

But consider that bleeding to death is also considered to be relatively painless, as a suicide method.

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