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Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

#3

Doesn't seem correct, at least for Holland. As far as I'm aware, as a seller in The Netherlands, you only have to charge VAT for buyers that are also in The Netherlands.

VAT is technically paid by the customer, you just collect them to make the process slightly less ridiculous.

therefore, VAT is paid based on customer location.

this does not mean that you dont have to pay VAT at all if you sell to germany. in that case, you ahve to pay german VAT. if youre smalltime enough, its likely that nobody will go after you, but thats what it is.

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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post #3

Doesn't seem correct, at least for Holland. As far as I'm aware, as a seller in The Netherlands, you only have to charge VAT for buyers that are also in The Netherlands.

VAT is technically paid by the customer, you just collect them to make the process slightly less ridiculous. therefore, VAT is paid based on customer location. this does not mean that you dont have to pay VAT at all if you sell to germany. in that case, you ahve to pay german VAT. if youre smalltime enough, its likely that nobody will go after you, but thats what it is.

That is correct. Afaik, you do have to charge VAT to customers outside the Netherlands (but in the EU).

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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post #3

Doesn't seem correct, at least for Holland. As far as I'm aware, as a seller in The Netherlands, you only have to charge VAT for buyers that are also in The Netherlands.

VAT is technically paid by the customer, you just collect them to make the process slightly less ridiculous. therefore, VAT is paid based on customer location. this does not mean that you dont have to pay VAT at all if you sell to germany. in that case, you ahve to pay german VAT. if youre smalltime enough, its likely that nobody will go after you, but thats what it is.

Correct, but you're not required to pay the local (Dutch) VAT, so the seller doesn't have to collect it. This tool shows the Dutch VAT rate (0.21) for all buyer countries, which is not correct in that case.

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VAT is technically paid by the customer, you just collect them to make the process slightly less ridiculous. therefore, VAT is paid based on customer location. this does not mean that you dont have to pay VAT at all if you sell to germany. in that case, you ahve to pay german VAT. if youre smalltime enough, its likely that nobody will go after you, but thats what it is.

Correct, but you're not required to pay the local (Dutch) VAT, so the seller doesn't have to collect it. This tool shows the Dutch VAT rate (0.21) for all buyer countries, which is not correct in that case.

im not sure. i refuse to do business with anyone in the EU simply because Im not interested in negotiating tax rates with 27 different tax authorities.

not worth all the bureaucracy.

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

VAT is technically paid by the customer, you just collect them to make the process slightly less ridiculous. therefore, VAT is paid based on customer location. this does not mean that you dont have to pay VAT at all if you sell to germany. in that case, you ahve to pay german VAT. if youre smalltime enough, its likely that nobody will go after you, but thats what it is.

Correct, but you're not required to pay the local (Dutch) VAT, so the seller doesn't have to collect it. This tool shows the Dutch VAT rate (0.21) for all buyer countries, which is not correct in that case.

I think you're wrong. Just because you don't owe VAT to the Netherlands doesn't mean you don't owe it to another EU country.

[edit] Maybe I misunderstood. In what situation do you think you don't have to pay Dutch VAT, and what's the source of your information?

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, but you're not required to pay the local (Dutch) VAT, so the seller doesn't have to collect it. This tool shows the Dutch VAT rate (0.21) for all buyer countries, which is not correct in that case.

I think you're wrong. Just because you don't owe VAT to the Netherlands doesn't mean you don't owe it to another EU country. [edit] Maybe I misunderstood. In what situation do you think you don't have to pay Dutch VAT, and what's the source of your information?

https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/...

>Over het algemeen brengt u geen btw in rekening aan ondernemers uit andere EU-landen. Bij goederen past u dan het 0%-tarief toe en bij diensten wordt de btw naar uw klant verlegd.

In general, you should not charge VAT to entrepreneurs from other EU-countries. For goods, the 0%-tariff applies. For services, the VAT is transferred to the client. (Which means they need to declare the transaction and pay VAT in their country, which has nothing to do with your transaction with them).

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

#9

Doesn't seem correct, at least for Holland. As far as I'm aware, as a seller in The Netherlands, you only have to charge VAT for buyers that are also in The Netherlands.

You're simply dead wrong about that. When selling services online to consumers you have to charge the going rate in the country of your consumers. VATMOSS is one of the reasons I shut down a small SAAS aimed at consumers, by the time the bookkeeper was done with the VAT filings they'd eaten up all the profits. It's a ridiculous system without any minimum levels.

Re: Show HN: A REST API for Calculating VAT in the EU

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're wrong. Just because you don't owe VAT to the Netherlands doesn't mean you don't owe it to another EU country. [edit] Maybe I misunderstood. In what situation do you think you don't have to pay Dutch VAT, and what's the source of your information?

https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontentnl/... >Over het algemeen brengt u geen btw in rekening aan ondernemers uit andere EU-landen. Bij goederen past u dan het 0%-tarief toe en bij diensten wordt de btw naar uw klant verlegd. In general, you should not charge VAT to entrepreneurs from other EU-countries. For goods, the 0%-tariff applies. For services, the VAT is transferred to the client. (Which me…

Goods and services are dealt with completely differently when targeted at consumers or corporate customers (depending on the country). So there are 4 different combinations times the number of EU countries. And there are more exceptions when it comes to goods depending on the class of goods (food for instance).
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