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It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by saurik »

pebers wrote: post #44
saurik wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the concept comes from the idea that Scotland, while defined as a "country", is already subservient to the U.K., a situation which clearly does not define the relationship between Canada and any other larger country, and so this is not about "stop being autonomous and come join Canada" but "maybe become part of Canada instead of part of the U.K.". "Scotland's head of state is the monarch of the United Kingdom…

The Queen is the head of state of Canada as well, so that situation wouldn't change: "Canada is a federal parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy, with Queen Elizabeth II being the head of state." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada

Wow, and apparently she is also the Queen of Australia and New Zealand?!? Regardless: Scotland is usually compared at the level of Quebec, not Canada, and there are numerous things that they do not have control over, particularly and most relevantly including immigration.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15037874.Immigration_powe...

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by jamesrcole »

supremesaboteur wrote: post #69
jamesrcole wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> avowedly Christian > This ... is a bad thing ? It is not a bad thing to be unashamed of being a Christian. The bit you're quoting is not talking about a person, like a person being ashamed of something or not. It's talking about the governmental stance towards a country. The full quote being "So, while the Tories in Britain and the Republicans in the United States set about creating a neo-liberal Anglosphere – ant…

It was talking about a political party, not the government. Political parties are set up to serve the interest of groups. For example, Republicans could be for defending the right of individuals to practice their religion in peace. For the unemployed to want to create more jobs so that they can live their lives with dignity. For people to keep their families safe through having a strong military etc.

It was talking about what they want (or what the article claims they want) to do to the country, not anything at all about whether people should feel ashamed or not to be Christians.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by CalRobert »

fishnchips wrote: post #42
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #13

Makes more sense for Scotland to join Ireland & Northern Ireland in a gaelic confederation.

Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many people in the Republic would even entertain the idea of joining with the North, let alone Scotland. Apart maybe from extreme nationalists, most people realise it would be nothing but trouble.

Ironically, Scotland joining might be less emotive. It's historically interesting that Scottish people displaced a lot of the native Irish centuries ago, yet I've never heard anti-Scottish sentiment here.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by elastic_church »

beloch wrote: post #33

Just to play the devil's advocate here... Such a move would pose some pretty big problems for Canada. 1. If Scotland were a Canadian province, they'd likely be a "have not" province and equalization payments from other provinces would go to Scotland. Good for Scotland, but this would be a drain on the rest of Canada. 2. If Scotland seceded from the UK and joined Canada, that would be one heckuva precedent for Quebec,…

Isnt this a bit redundant as canada bows to the crown... In the uk?

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by OliverJones »

labster wrote: post #7

With the prospect of Calexit, I would definitely consider having California join Canada. Preexisting trade deals, membership in NATO and NAFTA, and a country used to bilingual culture would all be a great fit for us.

Cascadia would make a great and powerful nation.

California, Oregon, Washington, British Columbia.

Governed by boring and competent people like Jerry Brown, it would be a good place to live.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by beloch »

elastic_church wrote: post #85
beloch wrote: post #33

Just to play the devil's advocate here... Such a move would pose some pretty big problems for Canada. 1. If Scotland were a Canadian province, they'd likely be a "have not" province and equalization payments from other provinces would go to Scotland. Good for Scotland, but this would be a drain on the rest of Canada. 2. If Scotland seceded from the UK and joined Canada, that would be one heckuva precedent for Quebec,…

Isnt this a bit redundant as canada bows to the crown... In the uk?

It's symbolic only. The crown's representative, the governor general, is a Canadian appointed by the Canadian Prime Minister. If the British crown actually tried to exert influence on the Canadian government though the governor general they'd likely trigger the end of that symbolism.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by themgt »

CalRobert wrote: post #68
geofft wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calexit scares me because it's effectively abandoning the country; California can survive much more than the rest of the country can. It might be unfair to place that burden on California, sure, but it seem indisputable that leaving would destabilize the remaining United States in many ways - which won't be good for either Californians or anyone else. What's to stop New York, for instance, from also leaving once it r…

Calling the US a country may make sense, but I increasingly don't feel it's a nation. I feel more foreign in Missouri than in Ireland. I feel no more kinship or commonality with people from the US than from liberal western democracies (Canada, most of Europe, etc). Also, California is arguably occupied. It is ruled by a federal government that lost an election by any reasonable measure. It lacks the right to secede d…

> It is ruled by a federal government that lost an election by any reasonable measure

The electoral college system our country has used for nearly 250 years is no longer a "reasonable measure" of who won the election?

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by SticksAndBreaks »

It seems Diamond Age is not so far away by now. Emerging are the phyles, tribes of ideas, some social democratic, some autocratic. Welcome to europe candaduu.

Also, you can loose your nation and citizenship, if you turn to other ideas. Become a communist and you become a north korean or venezuelian, become a djihadi and you are a ISIL or Saudi Arabia citizen. Be a bleeding heart bug liberal- and you are a Californian or Israeli. Maybe this is where we are going.

It would be interesting to see, the inter-phyle interaction. Today, the amish phyle and the californian phyle came to a trading aggreement, where upon the Californian phyle would protect the Amish phyle in return for a scholarship on californian schools for the brightest of the amish decendants.

Re: It’s time for Scotland to find a new home in Canada

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Post by cmrdporcupine »

fishnchips wrote: post #42
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #13

Makes more sense for Scotland to join Ireland & Northern Ireland in a gaelic confederation.

Realistically speaking, I'm not sure how many people in the Republic would even entertain the idea of joining with the North, let alone Scotland. Apart maybe from extreme nationalists, most people realise it would be nothing but trouble.

Well I said confederation, not national union.
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