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Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Exactly. Although I don't think work in the car would be the same quality - if you use that time to handle emails it could be a big boost to get most emails addressed before you get to the office. I live about 12 miles from my office and going to the office removes about 1.5-2 hrs per day. Getting ready, 30 mins each way. I try to schedule phone calls for my commute but I don't always have calls to handle. I've worke…

I don't know. I've got a 2 hour commute each way. There's no way a company would accept my rolling in at 10AM and leaving at 4PM just because I'm working from 8-10 and 4-6 in my self-driving car. More than likely, self-driving cars will mean workers are still expected to get their 8-to-6 on-premesis face time, and then use their self-driving time to catch some shut-eye.

I feel like getting to your job should be part of the job, especially when it becomes possible to do your job on the way.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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> So if technological change were going to cause elimination of jobs, one presumes we would have seen it by now. ...considering this statement was delivered while the US Workforce Participation is at 30+ year lows while productivity and technological change has made significant inroads during that time (ex: Macintosh 512k vs. iPhone 7), I think he's missing a large chunk of the, uh, big picture. Then, contrast one of…

When he talks about "what if you don't have to worry about driving," what I hear is: what if your car is one more place where we can show you ads? Right now we can't show you ads in your car, of course, because you're in command of two tons of steel moving at high speed, so your attention needs to be fully concentrated on that task. But if the car could drive itself, think of all the ways we could monetize that newly…

If you own the car, surely you can install the equivalent of an ad-blocker.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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I'm getting tired of all of the hot air coming from these tech oligarchs. They're so enriched by a tech boom and a decade of easy money that we worship at their feet. Their vision and goal for the future is simply more money for themselves at the expense of others. "Guys look! An hour long commute is actually a good thing because you can spend it with your kids!" Why is it so hard to spend time with our kids now?! I…

Yeah. > Self-driving cars, for example, could potentially put 5 million people involved in transportation jobs out of work. And creating 5 million new jobs for them seems impossible with net monthly job gains typically in the hundreds of thousands. “Five million jobs seem like a lot of jobs. It is a lot,” Andreessen says. But looking at the big picture shows that “every year in the U.S. on average about 21 million jo…

Not really. The effect of self driving cars may be larger than "normal tech evolutions", but we have been continually re-inventing ourselves at a pace that is not particularly different from what it has been over the last 200 years.

200 years ago 95+% of all people worked in agriculture. In developed countries, now barely 1-2% do so. 100 years ago the vast majority worked in manual labour jobs. Now people are moving on to service jobs. Macro-economically speaking, those were much larger and more rapid changes than what we're seeing right now.

This is not new. It's normal economic development. Nothing unusual at all. People have to stop portraying this negatively, and Marc is correct in seeing this as a positive to humanity.

His argument is that we need to manage this shift as a society. Some countries pro-actively do so (European social security comes to mind), others do not (USA). I tend to agree with him that it does need to be managed.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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There's a difference between making progress and recognizing the impact on real lives vs naively claiming we haven't seen any negative externalities of technology.

That's right, everytime there's been progress there have been negative externalities of the tech produced for the progress. It's nearly impossible to have both, ie, progress and no negative consequences. So which would you rather have?

This might be unrealistic, but it would be nice if the human race acquired some wisdom at some point instead of just blindly rushing ahead into whatever makes money. Maybe we could lessen the negative consequences with a little bit of restraint and foresight.

For example, did nobody stop to ask what would happen to all that non-biodegradable plastic meant to service a disposable economy?

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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It's not really hero worship Here's a thought experiment: what was Marc Andreesen's last idea? How much ego was in it: none, some, or a lot?

I'm not really disagreeing with the point that I suspect you're making, I'm just saying that it's a lot more cynical than "hero worship".

Do you mean "insidious," in that the tech celebrities that people use as role models might be charlatans?

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Yeah. > Self-driving cars, for example, could potentially put 5 million people involved in transportation jobs out of work. And creating 5 million new jobs for them seems impossible with net monthly job gains typically in the hundreds of thousands. “Five million jobs seem like a lot of jobs. It is a lot,” Andreessen says. But looking at the big picture shows that “every year in the U.S. on average about 21 million jo…

And actually, 5 million jobs are just a tip of the iceberg, some estimates talk about 40% of jobs being automated - and even that may be a low-ball estimate, since it doesn't include jobs that would be indirectly replaced with something more efficient(meat -> plant based meat, cars that don't need maintenance , i.e electric vehicles, etc), and jobs that we don't know how the tech will look in 10 years(creative jobs,…

In developed countries 40% of the jobs from 40 years ago are almost certainly automated at this point. And we're richer than ever before if you look at absolute richness (not in relatives, but that's an entirely different discussion).

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> Because in the United States, we should be working even while we are getting to work, because we don't work enough? No, because if you work-day was originally 8hrs of work + 2hrs of commute, it's now just 6hrs of work + 2hrs of work.

A lot of people would puke of they did a hour of reading email in their car.

Just turn off the windows. Click Voila, no car sickness. ;)

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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That picture makes me want to not keep reading but then I remember Netscape.

you guys are a little too serious sometimes. it was a joke. he looks like an ego with that scowl, like the critic from Ratatouille.

He looks like a giant unhappy thumb. I can only laugh at the mental image of him "spar[ring] with the likes of Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, and Larry Page" in some sort of super-sized thumb war. Anyone taking bets on Andreessen vs. Bezos?
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