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Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by jcoffland »

Cpoll wrote: post #27
6stringmerc wrote: post #4

> So if technological change were going to cause elimination of jobs, one presumes we would have seen it by now. ...considering this statement was delivered while the US Workforce Participation is at 30+ year lows while productivity and technological change has made significant inroads during that time (ex: Macintosh 512k vs. iPhone 7), I think he's missing a large chunk of the, uh, big picture. Then, contrast one of…

> Because in the United States, we should be working even while we are getting to work, because we don't work enough? No, because if you work-day was originally 8hrs of work + 2hrs of commute, it's now just 6hrs of work + 2hrs of work.

A lot of people would puke of they did a hour of reading email in their car.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by [deleted] »

nostrademons wrote: post #53
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #33

I'm getting tired of all of the hot air coming from these tech oligarchs. They're so enriched by a tech boom and a decade of easy money that we worship at their feet. Their vision and goal for the future is simply more money for themselves at the expense of others. "Guys look! An hour long commute is actually a good thing because you can spend it with your kids!" Why is it so hard to spend time with our kids now?! I…

So I'd agree about taking the hero worship out of SV. The history of SV is one of successive technology waves, each of which certain people happen to spot & ride first, and then because they make a lot of money on those waves, everybody else idolizes them. And then the next wave happens and it's inevitably someone else who spots them and rides them, and suddenly we all have new heroes. But when it comes to building a…

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Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by petra »

nostrademons wrote: post #53
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #33

I'm getting tired of all of the hot air coming from these tech oligarchs. They're so enriched by a tech boom and a decade of easy money that we worship at their feet. Their vision and goal for the future is simply more money for themselves at the expense of others. "Guys look! An hour long commute is actually a good thing because you can spend it with your kids!" Why is it so hard to spend time with our kids now?! I…

So I'd agree about taking the hero worship out of SV. The history of SV is one of successive technology waves, each of which certain people happen to spot & ride first, and then because they make a lot of money on those waves, everybody else idolizes them. And then the next wave happens and it's inevitably someone else who spots them and rides them, and suddenly we all have new heroes. But when it comes to building a…

Leaving aside disagreements by people(who a lot of them are politically motivated and maybe not the result of deep thinking and rational thought or aiming to benefit everyone), doesn't the research tells us about what interventions benefit everybody ?

For example, that socialized medicine is the better method to reach that goal ?

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by redm »

wincy wrote: post #74
pasbesoin wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current buzz is "basic income." While I'm not opposed to the idea that if you're born -- and if so much of the world values human life including and especially in the womb -- then you should have the opportunity to at least "get by" and not be per force exploited, much less sickened and killed. While I'm not opposed to it, there is a pre-cursor of ostensibly more limited scope, and perhaps of greater benefit than…

I would have a thousand children if I could. If I can pay for them all and don't draw benefits, who cares? People might think I'm eccentric, but it's not like I'm taking more than my fair share. Once the government is paying every one of my kids, suddenly people wants to have a say in the number of children I can have. I also want my insurance to spend a million dollars if it means I can live for an extra week. Even…

A bit OT...

> I would have a thousand children if I could.

I know this is just an example, but here are obligations that come with children beyond the economic cost. As someone with 3 small children, a basic income for them would not incentivize me in any way to have more.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by skynode »

jcoffland wrote: post #77
skynode wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol! Undoubtedly down-voted by the libertarians. :)

and people who like to see some supporting evidence in an argument.

You want evidence of what exactly? How Soviet-style prosperity should be public agendas collapse without mercy? Please. SV needs to grow up.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by ashray5 »

“All of a sudden you can have the idea that an hour-long commute is actually a big perk because instead of driving and having to sit and focus and lurch through traffic, what if your car is a rolling living room? What if you get to spend that hour playing with your kid or reading the news or watching TV or actually working because you don’t have to worry about driving?”

I suppose one can find these answers from people who commute by company shuttles, trains or subways.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by bambax »

matt_wulfeck wrote: post #33

I'm getting tired of all of the hot air coming from these tech oligarchs. They're so enriched by a tech boom and a decade of easy money that we worship at their feet. Their vision and goal for the future is simply more money for themselves at the expense of others. "Guys look! An hour long commute is actually a good thing because you can spend it with your kids!" Why is it so hard to spend time with our kids now?! I…

Yeah.

> Self-driving cars, for example, could potentially put 5 million people involved in transportation jobs out of work. And creating 5 million new jobs for them seems impossible with net monthly job gains typically in the hundreds of thousands. “Five million jobs seem like a lot of jobs. It is a lot,” Andreessen says. But looking at the big picture shows that “every year in the U.S. on average about 21 million jobs are destroyed and about 24.5 million are created,” Andreessen says. “So the real answer to how do you replace 5 million jobs is, we already replace that in less than a quarter [of a year] today.”

This is disingenuous, bordering on stupid.

If a McDonald's closes and another one opens, 20 jobs are destroyed and 20 new ones are created, but they're the same!

What we are talking about with self-driving cars is an entire category of jobs being destroyed, and 5 million people doing the same thing, becoming unemployed at the exact same time (a time when their job doesn't exist anymore).

Very different from the normal life of the economy.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by Klathmon »

samastur wrote: post #67
Cpoll wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because in the United States, we should be working even while we are getting to work, because we don't work enough? No, because if you work-day was originally 8hrs of work + 2hrs of commute, it's now just 6hrs of work + 2hrs of work.

Because company that trusts its workers so much it requires their presence in the office is certainly going to believe them they worked in their cars, right?

To be fair, trust isn't the only reason many companies want workers to be in-office.

Re: Marc Andreessen: “Take the Ego Out of Ideas”

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Post by petra »

bambax wrote: post #87
matt_wulfeck wrote: post #33

I'm getting tired of all of the hot air coming from these tech oligarchs. They're so enriched by a tech boom and a decade of easy money that we worship at their feet. Their vision and goal for the future is simply more money for themselves at the expense of others. "Guys look! An hour long commute is actually a good thing because you can spend it with your kids!" Why is it so hard to spend time with our kids now?! I…

Yeah. > Self-driving cars, for example, could potentially put 5 million people involved in transportation jobs out of work. And creating 5 million new jobs for them seems impossible with net monthly job gains typically in the hundreds of thousands. “Five million jobs seem like a lot of jobs. It is a lot,” Andreessen says. But looking at the big picture shows that “every year in the U.S. on average about 21 million jo…

And actually, 5 million jobs are just a tip of the iceberg, some estimates talk about 40% of jobs being automated - and even that may be a low-ball estimate, since it doesn't include jobs that would be indirectly replaced with something more efficient(meat -> plant based meat, cars that don't need maintenance , i.e electric vehicles, etc), and jobs that we don't know how the tech will look in 10 years(creative jobs, natural language, etc).
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