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Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a consultant who works from home with two (young) kids, it's hard to imagine working these kinds of hours. It seems sort of inhumane.

That's why you have one stay at home parent.

I agree, which is why I upboated you. My wife is a stay at home mom. Makes life way better for all of us, much less stressful for the children and she enjoys it. I wish more women would consider it, especially if their husbands make a living wage. Life isn't all about money.

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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I work as a mid-sized company. My job is family friendly. I have flex time (which is really, really great!!) and my bosses and coworkers understand if personal or family issues come up and don't get upset if you have to leave early to pick up your kids (or friend from the airport, whatever) as long as you get your hours in and work done. Individual accommodations, when reasonable, are met. In general its acknowledged we are humans, not machines, and we have life outside of work. The majority of my coworkers have some sort of family, though we skew older, we only have a handful of people under 30 right now, maybe 6-7. There's also a few people who have moved to 30 hours a week (which reduces your pay proportionately) and two that are part time/semi retired.

I value this over salary.

In general, call me lazy, but I don't want to do unpaid work outside of work. Sorry, but I spend 40 hours a week coding, that's plenty enough. I want to spend my free time doing other things. I don't know the details of what my coworkers do in their spare time but, honestly, I can't think of a single one who I could see going home and spending any significant amount of time free time writing code. Our office talk is usually stuff about video games, vacations, TV shows, family, local businesses, the weather, and weekend actives, not frameworks.

That's not to say they/we aren't smart or good at our job. I am good at my job, I like my job, I like writing code, I get good performance reviews, I have pride in my work, and I do care about the success of our product and our company. I am just not one dimensional. I like doing other things, I like spending time with friends and family, I like traveling, and there's just not unlimited time in my life. Nor do I have unlimited attention span.

I sometimes look at job boards to see if there's an interesting position open. I'm not really actively looking for a new job but if I find a better deal I'll take it.

I haven't.

I am interested in remote work because I live in a fairly small-ish quiet-ish town and I'd like to keep using Java as my primary language. We have industry, large employers, and jobs here in my town but not as much as a big city, and I'd like to expand my options. Remote work I see seems to lean sorta-kind startup-ish. Sometimes their job application/about us makes it clear I'm expected to make work the only thing in my life and I don't apply. Sometimes I get to the application and they are like "give us links to your LinkedIn and Github." I leave these blank, as I don't have a LinkedIn or Github, and I never get a call back. One didn't even get asked for a resume or what my work experience was, just a Github link.

Oh well, I don't want to work somewhere that expects me to do work after work. I'd rather take a non-software job with a massive paycut than spend 90% of my waking hours writing code.

I wonder if they know what they are losing out on by excluding an entire demographic? I mean, my coworkers are, for the most part, bright and good at their jobs. Certainly your life doesn't have to be your job to be good at your job or to be productive?

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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9-6 is 40 hours/week with unpaid lunch, and pretty standard in US tech jobs as far as I know. Asking the team to sometimes work 45 hours during busy times seems reasonable to me. I give my team time to learn new stuff on the job. Obviously I strive to hire smart people so that doesn't take forever. I am not sure exactly what you are asking for. Companies OK with working 35 hour weeks?

As a consultant who works from home with two (young) kids, it's hard to imagine working these kinds of hours. It seems sort of inhumane.

Then you know, don't have kids? Expecting your employer to bend over backwards for you, when there are plenty of equally qualified candidates without such specific needs on hours seems a bit daft. The vast majority of workers manage a 9 hour day so your choice to have kids has to take into account the realities of the world.

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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My anecdotal experience: companies are much more "family friendly" when the CEO and senior managers themselves have families. Stated differently, paraphrasing the CEO that just had their first kid: "holy crap, this is a lot of work!!!!" You have not truly experienced sleep deprivation until you have had sustained, parental sleep deprivation.

I'm not sure having a family by itself is a good indicator that the company will be family friendly. Marissa Mayer might be a good example. She has twins, so she should understand. But...

"If you go in on a Saturday afternoon, I can tell you which startups will succeed...Being there on the weekend is a huge indicator of success, mostly because these companies don't just happen. They happen because of really hard work."

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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post #9

My anecdotal experience: companies are much more "family friendly" when the CEO and senior managers themselves have families. Stated differently, paraphrasing the CEO that just had their first kid: "holy crap, this is a lot of work!!!!" You have not truly experienced sleep deprivation until you have had sustained, parental sleep deprivation.

Seems about right. My company is HQ'd in (typically family friendly) Utah (I'm in Seattle office) and the CEO is a family guy. The culture has pretty healthy expectations.

I always think this a naive view. There are plenty of ways to be incredibly sleep deprived without a child.

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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I once declined a job as it wasn't a good fit. The company that I did go with had some great childcare attached with the position; Anyhow, upon declining i mentioned that we were planning on having a kid in the future and this childcare was a nice bonus. The response from the company that I declined? 'If we had known you were going to have a child then we would not have made an offer'. Bullet dodged.

wow they're begging for a lawsuit

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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post #27

What does "family friendly" mean? It's unclear from your post. Does he want to work fewer hours but get paid more money, or does he just want more flexibility to schedule his hours?

If you look at the spreadsheet, it lays out some of the criteria: Work time Family services "Flexible (yes/no)" Additional time off (yes/no) "Allow remote (yes/no)" Mandatory hourly presence (in hours per day) "Weekends off (yes/no)" "Kindergarten in or close to company offices (yes/no)" "Can you bring your child to your work place (yes/no)" "Company doctor (yes/no)"

Re: Ask HN: Is your company (job) family friendly?

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post #9

My anecdotal experience: companies are much more "family friendly" when the CEO and senior managers themselves have families. Stated differently, paraphrasing the CEO that just had their first kid: "holy crap, this is a lot of work!!!!" You have not truly experienced sleep deprivation until you have had sustained, parental sleep deprivation.

I'm not sure having a family by itself is a good indicator that the company will be family friendly. Marissa Mayer might be a good example. She has twins, so she should understand. But... "If you go in on a Saturday afternoon, I can tell you which startups will succeed...Being there on the weekend is a huge indicator of success, mostly because these companies don't just happen. They happen because of really hard work…

Marissa Mayer has a nursery next to her office. If she were family friendly, she'd have her kids in the same daycare as the rest of the company.
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