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U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

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Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#71
Part of the problem 'net neutrality' faces is its name. The average US citizen has no idea what 'net neutrality' means when they hear it, and can't be bothered to learn about it.

If it had been branded 'internet freedom' then we wouldn't even be having this discussion because it would be toxic for politicians to mess with something called 'internet freedom.'

Source: Sat through way too many focus groups testing communications concepts in my life...

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#72

Part of the problem 'net neutrality' faces is its name. The average US citizen has no idea what 'net neutrality' means when they hear it, and can't be bothered to learn about it. If it had been branded 'internet freedom' then we wouldn't even be having this discussion because it would be toxic for politicians to mess with something called 'internet freedom.' Source: Sat through way too many focus groups testing commu…

Calling this concept anything but "internet freedom" once it crossed from "concept" to "mainstream political debate" is a little bit like shooting your horse in the hoof before it leaves the gate.

Sticking to "net neutrality" seemingly resulted in ISP's treating the phrase like courts treat jury nullification and the FCC making this an across-the-isle issue about corporate investment and infrastructure costs rather than regional monopolies, tiered access, slow lanes, etc.

I'm not naive enough to blame this on the name alone, but I'm also curious to see how net neutrality might fair when pushed onto ISP's and mobile carriers alike as "internet freedom."

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#73

Isn't this what happens when you do everything through the executive, rather than legislative, branch? If net neutrality were required by law, the FCC chairman would to some degree be compelled to enforce it.

No. The FCC is an independent (not executive) federal agency, and ultimately serve at the pleasure of the Congress. Congress granted FCC their statutory authority to regulate (and can revoke it).

FCC commissioners go through presidential appointment and senate confirmation, and almost always has as a 2-1 or 3-2 party split. This DOES make the Commission's direction subject to different political winds than just the executive, or just the Congress. But that doesn't make them under the executive any more than that confirmation process makes the judiciary part of the executive.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#74

Can we have another day without most common internet sites? No facebook/google/netflix/amazon/youtube. 2 days if necessary. Show a video explaining what net neutrality is and why many of the arguments it are so dumb.

these are the incumbents and even though these companies would not have been build without net neutrality, they can afford loosing net neutrality and paradoxically it might be in their interest. Loosing net neutrality will hurt startups and small sites who won't be able to afford payments to ISP's "fast lanes."

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#75
post #25

This is a somewhat unpopular opinion on HN, but I think net neutrality is only a mediocre local optimum. We can do much better without it. Look at Denmark; they top the global ITU ITC ranking for internet service, and how do they do it? By totally deregulating ISPs while setting government policy to allow for competition (instead of trying to force ISPs to follow some arbitrary notion of good behavior in the abject l…

Do you think the FCC genuinely wants to encourage ISP competition?

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#76

Part of me wants to make a really nice website to shine a spotlight on these corporate shills and track their offenses. Obviously, we can legitimately argue about the merits of some laws and regulations, but others are obvious corporate power grabs that objectively leave us worse off. And to officials who sell us out but are sure to be re-elected, like Marsha Blackburn, she needs to know that there are people who rec…

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Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#77

Is there anything that can be done here? Pai and his little buddy O'Rielly have an easy majority on the FCC here, and I doubt they'll listen to any comments. Short of like, the Trump government being dismantled before then, how do you get rid of such a transparently corrupt head of a federal agency?

Let them do their thing until people are so mad that they go after them. At the end of the day, if politicians aren't scared of armed mobs, we don't have real democracy anymore. Because a real militia capable of overthrowing DC in 2017 is laughable, I'm not sure how we keep the power of politicians in check anymore. They do whatever they want, and the people have little recourse. Call and complain all you want, they'…

> Call and complain all you want, they'll still do whatever they want for the next three and a half years.

One and a half years. There are congressional elections every other year. There are local elections every single year. Don't forget this! Vote every year!

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#78
post #65

Cable television periodically has "channel blackouts" where the cable operator feuds over price with the content provider. I guess we can expect to see this now for internet. Imagine going to Netflix to find an error 5xx instead: unavailable until they agree on payments to the cable company.

Perhaps we should suggest a new http error code.

Re: U.S. FCC chairman plans fast-track repeal of net neutrality: sources

#79
post #50

thanks jill stein voters. :) tell me again how both parties are the same

Specifically, all non-Clinton voters and non-voters in a tiny number of relevant states. For everyone else, their votes never counted. To blame it on Stein specifically is of course insane and purposely incendiary without any other purpose really; the number of non-voters who just let it happen or "are not into politics" is orders of magnitude more significant and they are much more responsible. Stein voters at least…

> For everyone else, their votes never counted.

Yes they did. Sure, it was one vote out of three hundred million, but so was every one else's.

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