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Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by kscaldef »

KirinDave wrote: post #99
mikeklaas wrote: post #82

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shrug , I feel the same way about "Protip"

I feel the same way about saying physical gestures like " shrug ". And also about "Wow. Just Wow." But I can master my distaste for those; they're not why I mentioned it. Who knows what the line is? Maybe it's more because using gay terms as pejoratives is a nasty habit and we should stamp it out rather than try and equivocate just because they're familiar.

I don't believe the gay community has a monopoly on the use of the misspelling "boi", if that's what you're trying to suggest. It's certainly not the context in which I first saw it commonly used.

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by look_lookatme »

jacobolus wrote: post #65
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #24

Funnily enough, my own thoughts about Gruber becoming annoying recently (after reading him for years) is because Gruber has started commenting on things he doesn't understand the facts of e.g. codec patents. He'll just come up with some pro-Apple spin and go with that, actual reality is often replaced with spiteful snark. e.g. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/03/android-battery-... The first thing I did with…

> Actually Bing shows a random professional image, not one of your choice from your photo album. I think you kind of missed the point. To whit: putting an image behind the search engine homepage is a stupid gimmick which adds nothing to the value to my search results.

Normal people love this kind of stuff. When they use a computer they like to see their kids photos all over the place, or their beach house they saved up for, or their dogs, or whatever. They want their computer desktop to be like their physical desktop.

Just because you don't appreciate it doesn't mean it's a "stupid gimmick".

EDIT: clarify a point

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by jacobolus »

look_lookatme wrote: post #102
jacobolus wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Actually Bing shows a random professional image, not one of your choice from your photo album. I think you kind of missed the point. To whit: putting an image behind the search engine homepage is a stupid gimmick which adds nothing to the value to my search results.

Normal people love this kind of stuff. When they use a computer they like to see their kids photos all over the place, or their beach house they saved up for, or their dogs, or whatever. They want their computer desktop to be like their physical desktop. Just because you don't appreciate it doesn't mean it's a "stupid gimmick". EDIT: clarify a point

Maybe. Google’s draw (for me, and I assume for at least some others) was always that it took a cut the bullshit, focus on the results approach.

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by KirinDave »

kscaldef wrote: post #101
KirinDave wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel the same way about saying physical gestures like " shrug ". And also about "Wow. Just Wow." But I can master my distaste for those; they're not why I mentioned it. Who knows what the line is? Maybe it's more because using gay terms as pejoratives is a nasty habit and we should stamp it out rather than try and equivocate just because they're familiar.

I don't believe the gay community has a monopoly on the use of the misspelling "boi", if that's what you're trying to suggest. It's certainly not the context in which I first saw it commonly used.

I don't think you understand what fanboi originally meant. Go read the definition and think about it. "Mac Fanboi" was originally part of the "Macs are for fags" school of insults.

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by ob »

gabrielroth wrote: post #9

Like all prominent bloggers, Gruber could use some insightful criticism. Too bad this post doesn't offer any. A thousand words that add up to "I can't really put my finger on it or name any specifics, but Daring Fireball seems more uncritically approving of Apple lately" is fine for pub conversation, but it's not much use as reasoned argument. How could Gruber respond to this? The only specific point of Gruber's that…

Gruber regularly deals with critics that will write basically anything, even criticizing products that have not been announce yet.

Hank Williams' statement:

   Essentially, anyone who has criticized the iPhone, or
   presumably Apple is just someone not dealing with the
   facts. The only reasonable position one could have after
   looking at any iPhone related facts is, generally,
   acceptance and approval.
strikes me as nonsense. It doesn't even follow from Gruber's original statement. I.e. "seldom" means "not often", it doesn't mean "never". So "anyone who has criticized the iPhone" just doesn't follow.

And unless the so-called "facts" are not indeed facts ("a thing that is indisputable the case") then yes, "the only reasonable position one could have after looking at any iPhone related fact" is "acceptance". IT IS A FACT!

You can criticize the iPhone, but if you say "people are not buying it" then you are arguing against the facts.

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by petercooper »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #24

Funnily enough, my own thoughts about Gruber becoming annoying recently (after reading him for years) is because Gruber has started commenting on things he doesn't understand the facts of e.g. codec patents. He'll just come up with some pro-Apple spin and go with that, actual reality is often replaced with spiteful snark. e.g. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2010/06/03/android-battery-... The first thing I did with…

Funnily enough, my own thoughts about Gruber becoming annoying recently (after reading him for years) is because Gruber has started commenting on things he doesn't understand the facts of

If you think he's annoying, stop reading what he posts?

There are a people pushing words around on the Internet that are outlandish or that others don't agree with. Thankfully, most of them don't result in hundreds of comments and discussions over their shortcomings.

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by Woabeebight »

noonespecial wrote: post #35
raganwald wrote: post #25

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Well, I don't mind so much that the origin is lost, it becomes a pleasant bit of trivia I will inflict upon my hapless colleagues one day, just as I now explain exactly what the phrase "core dump" really means. But in this case I do like keeping true to the specific meaning even if the origin is lost in antiquity. I feel it's a useful distinction to make. As an example, I would say that some years ago John Dvorak jum…

"Shaka, when the walls fell."

"With sails unfurled."

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by tomica »

jacobolus wrote: post #89
papachito wrote: post #73

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Not really, in ChromeOS, the google homepage will be kind of like your desktop. So putting a picture there is like putting a picture on your desktop wallpaper. Also, Google.com/ig has been themable for years, so allowing to put pictures is not a copy of bing IMO, just an improvement of the theme feature.

Okay, well even if you think that having a customizable search-engine backdrop picture is a killer feature, can’t we at least agree that Gruber’s snarky joke implying it’s just as gimmicky as Bing’s non-customizable search-engine backdrop picture is still just a joke, and not really proof that he’s biased against Google in general?

have you seen him doing those kind of snarky jokes about apple? ever?

what about (back in the day) microsoft, (recently) adobe and (since the january battle call) google?

all the time?

Re: John Gruber jumps the shark

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Post by foljs »

Lewisham wrote: post #71
jacobolus wrote: post #66

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What’s hard to understand about Apple’s pages? > The demos below show how Apple’s Safari web browser supports the capabilities of web standards such as HTML5, CSS3, and JavaScript. Gruber’s point is this: if Opera wants some better “HTML5” demos (presumably that work across browsers, and don’t just “use HTML5 as a buzzword”) they can easily make some themselves. Why should Apple be responsible for making sure their S…

> Why should Apple be responsible for making sure their Safari promotion showcase works perfectly in every other browser? Because the whole point of the exercise is to show how standards-compliant, open, web apps work so great on iPhone OS. Except by excluding every browser but Safari, it may as well be a front for the App Store. It might be standards-compliant, but it sure as heck isn't open or inclusive. In that re…

Actually, Safari is the only actual browser allowed on the iPhone/iPad. Also, it IS open/inclusive. Anyone can code his web app for the iPhone/iPad, and they have to target Safari, but they can code anything the want and bypass the App Store.

("Opera for the iPhone" is using a mediator service, and as such is not a real web browser).

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