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An off-grid social network

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Re: An off-grid social network

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post #33

I'd like to see all my friends post updates and photos to blogs where I can subscribe via rss. This would be the best social network for me.

You can write a JavaScript component to read out the feed in the background and transform it into an RSS feed. Current U.S. law prevents someone from offering this commercially, especially in a SaaS package.

Re: An off-grid social network

#73
post #26
post #8

So... it's kinna like USENET then?

Not sure why this was donvoted. From a bird's eye view, the whole system looks remarkably similar to Usenet, especially in the old times of UUCP, back when systems were mostly offline and had relatively short timespans to exchange information (via dial-up connection or similar). What's different now is that we have pleny of disk space, and more than enough computing power to perform proper cryptography.

Agreed. The resemblance to Usenet and email are what I find especially intriguing.

Re: An off-grid social network

#74
post #31

Why do all "social networks" have to be a feed of news? Couldn't anyone think of anything better than a system in which people are only encouraged to talk about themselves and try to get other people's approval? In which having more "friends" is always better, because you have more potential for self-agrandissement in your narcissistic posts?

presenting social content in a different format would be interesting, but I've not seen any compelling options. But the issues of looking for approval and social status are social issues - not sure how a social network tool could avoid that. Isn't that what a lot of people's casual relationships are like? What do most people do at parties and social events in person - they talk about themselves and each other...

On Hacker News, for example, people don't talk about themselves, although they do like to get upvotes.

Re: An off-grid social network

#75
post #26
post #8

So... it's kinna like USENET then?

Not sure why this was donvoted. From a bird's eye view, the whole system looks remarkably similar to Usenet, especially in the old times of UUCP, back when systems were mostly offline and had relatively short timespans to exchange information (via dial-up connection or similar). What's different now is that we have pleny of disk space, and more than enough computing power to perform proper cryptography.

Probably the same reason that "slack == irc" and anti-systemd comments get heavily downvoted. Younger generations want badly to believe that they've invented something completely novel and unique.

This absolutely is usenet + crypto.

Re: An off-grid social network

#76
post #25

The storage requirements are tremendous, though, right? If I want to have access to everything that's been shared with me, I have to store it all. In the case of images, the storage burden can get large quickly.

The entire stackexchange and English Wikipedia dumps including all media is less than 90 Gig. Even low end cell phones have men expansion slots to 128 gig. Whatever you plan to do socially maintaining a local copy is not a storage issue. Non of the cloud ppl will tell you that though.

But I bet Facebook is much larger. If this were to really meet my needs (i.e. people I actually know start using it regularly), I can see this becoming an issue that needs to be solved, especially on mobile. Bitcoin ran into this issue as well, the need for a client to get the whole blockchain. I can see some solutions once cross device identity is done where I get a small amount of the network, perhaps the most recent, then it syncs up with the larger storage on my home PC later.

Re: An off-grid social network

#77
post #31

Why do all "social networks" have to be a feed of news? Couldn't anyone think of anything better than a system in which people are only encouraged to talk about themselves and try to get other people's approval? In which having more "friends" is always better, because you have more potential for self-agrandissement in your narcissistic posts?

This is what blogging was like, no? Pingbacks created a conversation among posts.

Blogging is about the same as posting in your own "feed" on any social network.

See, for example, the indiewebcamp[1] people, who are against "silos", as they call Facebook et al., but are recreating their same functionalities with personal blogs and a new version of Pingbacks called "webmentions".

[1]: https://indieweb.org/

Re: An off-grid social network

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post #25

The storage requirements are tremendous, though, right? If I want to have access to everything that's been shared with me, I have to store it all. In the case of images, the storage burden can get large quickly.

Yeah, I've been working on something similar to this off and on. Functionally, the mechanics need to be similar to a distributed filesystem like Tahoe-LAFS or Freenet. Content has to be entrusted to the swarm.

Re: An off-grid social network

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post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it also possible to use multiple devices without leaking from which device each message was posted?

Well, yes and no. The log will show a different id (public key) which authored the message. But the device itself (iPhone or Google Nexus or whatever) doesn't need to be mentioned.

That could leak information a user doesn't want to be leaked, like at which hours he is at work (using the work computer) etc. Which id belongs to which device could probably be inferred when the service is used actively.

I understand that transparency might not be a design goal or techinically possible, I'm just raising the concern.

Can't I just share my private key across multiple devices?

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