I guess in 10-20 years we will be telling our grandchildren about the old days, where you can do whatever you want on your computer, limited only the abilities of the hardware* . And they won't believe us. *Simplification, of course.
No one has to put up with this though. Use free software and gain control over your computer again.
Microsoft formally bans emulators on Xbox, Windows 10 download shops
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#42I guess in 10-20 years we will be telling our grandchildren about the old days, where you can do whatever you want on your computer, limited only the abilities of the hardware* . And they won't believe us. *Simplification, of course.
This really only affects distribution through the Windows Store, correct? I don't anything saying the execution of console emulation software is now impossible on Windows 10. While it is possible this is a slippery slope that leads to the case you are referring to. It's still not clear if it will ever reach that state.
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#43I guess in 10-20 years we will be telling our grandchildren about the old days, where you can do whatever you want on your computer, limited only the abilities of the hardware* . And they won't believe us. *Simplification, of course.
No one has to put up with this though. Use free software and gain control over your computer again.
[1] https://libreboot.org/docs/hardware/#supported_laptops_x86in...
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#44It's not surprising, but still disappointing. Emulators preserve games of eras past.
So do "Virtual Consoles" which are releasing more and more past games on different platforms and charging for it. I'm guessing if emulators weren't so rampant on the PC then companies like Nintendo would have or would think about creating a Virtual Console on PC for NES/SNES/N64, etc.
Nintendo and other copyright holders want to act like you're licensing software (so they don't have to be beholden to first-sale doctrine, laws concerning the ability to make local backups and other consumer protections), but they also want to prevent you from using that licensed software on newer hardware and want you to pay for 35 year old game over and over and over and over again. It's downright absurd, how many times do you want us to pay for the same piece of Super Mario code?!
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure why the parent is being downvoted. Perhaps people don't like the read the truth, perhaps they are too young to remember a time of more computational freedom and openness. The majority of "computers" people own are already locked down, and it seems clear that things will only get worse -- hardware is increasingly opaque and designed to do things against the interest of the user (or, to say the least, without…
I would wager that more than likely it's because it's a fairly insubstantial sarcastic post, and quite a few posters on HN prefer that posts have content that drive the discussion related to the topic as opposed to comments like the parent. From my point of view, the parent is somewhat incorrect in that we've always had companies trying really hard to lock down what we can and cannot do - since the NES/SNES days Nint…
Perhaps the content of my post was implicit rather than explicit, and I would not harbor a grudge against anyone that downvoted out of a preference for the latter, but my comment was neither sarcastic nor rhetorical.
Re: Microsoft formally bans emulators on Xbox, Windows 10 download shops
#46I guess in 10-20 years we will be telling our grandchildren about the old days, where you can do whatever you want on your computer, limited only the abilities of the hardware* . And they won't believe us. *Simplification, of course.
Not sure why the parent is being downvoted. Perhaps people don't like the read the truth, perhaps they are too young to remember a time of more computational freedom and openness. The majority of "computers" people own are already locked down, and it seems clear that things will only get worse -- hardware is increasingly opaque and designed to do things against the interest of the user (or, to say the least, without…
Dystopian reasoning in the 2 parent comments is slippery-slope fallacy.
Re: Microsoft formally bans emulators on Xbox, Windows 10 download shops
#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
This really only affects distribution through the Windows Store, correct? I don't anything saying the execution of console emulation software is now impossible on Windows 10. While it is possible this is a slippery slope that leads to the case you are referring to. It's still not clear if it will ever reach that state.
Until of course they disable installation from other sources than Windows Store in name of "malware protection and security". Boiling frogs and all that.
I also severely doubt they'll attempt to prevent installation of application binaries from sources other than the Windows store. If anyone were going to be dumb enough to attempt such a move, it'd have been Apple, years before now, and they never even came close. Microsoft isn't run by morons, either.
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#48I don't know about XBox, but does anybody actually use anything from the Windows Store? The only app that I have gotten is the SlingTV app, except I ditched it for the older native app, because the UWP Store one was so hideously broken and slow.
i don't hate the windows store, i nothing it.
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#49Re: Microsoft formally bans emulators on Xbox, Windows 10 download shops
#50I guess in 10-20 years we will be telling our grandchildren about the old days, where you can do whatever you want on your computer, limited only the abilities of the hardware* . And they won't believe us. *Simplification, of course.
I don't follow. There's a store now that sells a subset of software. All other methods still exist. You can still do as you please, including installing another OS. Am I missing the part where they're taking away anything that was possible before?
The current problem* is not that there is absolutely no way to manage your own computer whatsoever, it's that the methods for doing so are becoming more and more a niche only for the computer-savvy. The larger public is becoming increasingly more comfortable with, and encouraging of, closed systems. So long as the majority are willing to pay for such systems, it is not irrational to envision manufacturers eliminating other options over time.
*And keep in mind that I wasn't criticizing the present but, but a possible future 10-20 years from now.