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Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by IIAOPSW »

helthanatos wrote: post #9
IIAOPSW wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My high school physics teacher got fired middle of the year. Turned out he wasn't at all licensed to teach and may or may not have actually finished college. He got all the way to tenure before anyone noticed. The guy was a wonderful teacher and knew his topic insanely well. Other students hated him cause he actually held students to a standard. Dude ran a convenience store out of his class room to fund our robotics…

That's not at all where I thought you were going with that. Some rule breakers are good others are bad. Some only break certain rules. I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I've seen teachers be emergency certified in similar circumstances.

>Some rule breakers are good others are bad.

True. Maybe I just idolized this guy cause he was both smart and stuck it to the man.

>I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out?

I don't know what the rules are on that. Even if it were possible by this time he already tried to forge documents and otherwise lie his way through. Even before the fraud the man didn't really have to many allies in administration.

Also the district didn't even have the balls to tell us (the students) why our teacher disappeared one day. I had to learn it through another teacher in a private conversation outside the school.

Really just screw public school in general. The whole place was 95% waste of time followed by a "congratulatory" piece of paper.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by charles-salvia »

AndyNemmity wrote: post #4
alphabettsy wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There have been some stories about execs at very large companies lying on their resumes from small things like being in certain organizations up to completely fabricating earning a degree or attending a particular educational institution at all.

I have no college experience, and no one has ever even asked. I've never once had to justify it or discuss it in an interview. Education is no where on my resume.

It doesn't seem to matter as much in the technology world. When I look at people's resumes I barely even glance over the Education section. I mean, I'll take note if it's something extreme like a 4.0 at Stanford, but for the most part nobody cares anymore.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by BrandonMarc »

The articles I've found have all conveniently avoided answering the biggest question: why didn't the "adults" running the school figure this out sooner? ideally, before she was hired? That the students figured it out is proof it was certainly possible to figure out.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by notimetorelax »

BrandonMarc wrote: post #15

The articles I've found have all conveniently avoided answering the biggest question: why didn't the "adults" running the school figure this out sooner? ideally, before she was hired? That the students figured it out is proof it was certainly possible to figure out.

IMHO, two reasons:

- Adults are not super humans and can make mistakes

- and 17 year olds are as capable as adults.

In engineering people frequently ask - why nobody thought about it - well because nobody did.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by paulftw »

notimetorelax wrote: post #16
BrandonMarc wrote: post #15

The articles I've found have all conveniently avoided answering the biggest question: why didn't the "adults" running the school figure this out sooner? ideally, before she was hired? That the students figured it out is proof it was certainly possible to figure out.

IMHO, two reasons: - Adults are not super humans and can make mistakes - and 17 year olds are as capable as adults. In engineering people frequently ask - why nobody thought about it - well because nobody did.

Part 2 of this investigation should be "whose job it was to check new principal's credentials and and how they profited from looking the other way"

Edit: was that person the only applicant? If not why did the process identify them as the most suitable candidate?

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by teslabox »

IIAOPSW wrote: post #11
helthanatos wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not at all where I thought you were going with that. Some rule breakers are good others are bad. Some only break certain rules. I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I've seen teachers be emergency certified in similar circumstances.

>Some rule breakers are good others are bad. True. Maybe I just idolized this guy cause he was both smart and stuck it to the man. >I'm confused as to why he didn't finish college online or something when they found out? I don't know what the rules are on that. Even if it were possible by this time he already tried to forge documents and otherwise lie his way through. Even before the fraud the man didn't really have…

> Really just screw public school in general. The whole place was 95% waste of time followed by a "congratulatory" piece of paper.

John Taylor Gatto (and John Holt, and many others) say "wasting time" is the whole point of compulsory education.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Taylor_Gatto#Main_thesis

"Against School: How Public Education Criples our Kids, and Why" - http://www.wesjones.com/gatto1.htm

Archive.org should have the complete text of "The Underground History of American Education", which was formerly posted in its entirety at http://www.JohnTaylorGatto.com

Also search for "I quit, I think", and ... "The Seven Lesson Schoolteacher"... several copies of these essays are scattered around the internet.

Edit: favorite'd your earlier comment, as I like how your teacher was good at teaching physics in spite of not having a congratulatory paper from a "higher education" establishment.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by tbrownaw »

paulftw wrote: post #17
notimetorelax wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IMHO, two reasons: - Adults are not super humans and can make mistakes - and 17 year olds are as capable as adults. In engineering people frequently ask - why nobody thought about it - well because nobody did.

Part 2 of this investigation should be "whose job it was to check new principal's credentials and and how they profited from looking the other way" Edit: was that person the only applicant? If not why did the process identify them as the most suitable candidate?

Part 2 of this investigation should be "whose job it was to check new principal's credentials and and how they profited from looking the other way"

That really shouldn't be taken as a given.

"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence." Or by laziness, overwork, miscommunication, etc.

Re: High school journalists investigated a new principal’s credentials

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Post by caf »

BrandonMarc wrote: post #15

The articles I've found have all conveniently avoided answering the biggest question: why didn't the "adults" running the school figure this out sooner? ideally, before she was hired? That the students figured it out is proof it was certainly possible to figure out.

This article ( http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-06/principal-resigns-afte... ) has a quote from Superintendent Destry Brown: "He said the district, which does not typically ask for official transcripts until after a hiring decision has been made, will likely change its vetting process."
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