Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
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Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
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Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#2So, if I recall correctly, that "tracking supercookie" they're mentining in that account has to be injected in the headers of any request / response, right? Doesn't this mean it's easily defeated by HTTPS? Or am I misunderstanding how that works?
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#3I wonder, if Verizon would step into Googles game, could we get actually good infrastructure, when the empire retaliates?
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#4We all hate ads, no doubt about it. But I don't like the way media is going about accusing Comcast and Verizon for what the consumers brought upon themselves. Comcast/Verizon simply want exactly what Google does. AFAIK, Google does not "prompt" me saying that they mine my data and use it to show ads. In fact, I just tried creating a gmail account and there is no such explicit popup dialog that tell me this information. Same goes for facebook. There should be a popup saying "We use your data to show you ads". As simple as that. But no. There is no such thing.
This is the same that Verizon/Comcast wants to do. Provide an arbitrary service (i.e ISP) and also do something else with the data. Just because, I _pay_ comcast but don't pay Google does not relinquish Google from the responsibility. IMO, we need new internet/tech laws that explicitly cover companies that monetize user data.
Maybe someone can help me understand the distinction between these two.
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#5We all hate ads, no doubt about it. But I don't like the way media is going about accusing Comcast and Verizon for what the consumers brought upon themselves. Comcast/Verizon simply want exactly what Google does. AFAIK, Google does not "prompt" me saying that they mine my data and use it to show ads. In fact, I just tried creating a gmail account and there is no such explicit popup dialog that tell me this informatio…
We don't pay any money to google to use their service.
We pay to Comcast and Verizon for the service they provide.
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#6In my opinion this is the problem of monopoly. US ISP don't have to compete among themselves to offer a better service as I learned recently. You/they get one ISP per area with no option to use a different one. Then they become huge and start to compete for other things, which in this case is the content.
This turns out is bad for:
- the user for getting subpar Internet access with a fixed conditions and no option.
- the user since they loose all privacy.
- the content companies who now have to compete with someone in an power position who has abused of that power before.
Arguably (because of FB) Google has a big monopoly on Advertising, but the solution is not to go thermonuclear on the other side!
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#7So, if I recall correctly, that "tracking supercookie" they're mentining in that account has to be injected in the headers of any request / response, right? Doesn't this mean it's easily defeated by HTTPS? Or am I misunderstanding how that works?
Since tracking would be done in cooperation with the website you are connecting to, they could transmit something OOB to associate your current IP with their advertising identifier, even if you use HTTPS.
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#8We all hate ads, no doubt about it. But I don't like the way media is going about accusing Comcast and Verizon for what the consumers brought upon themselves. Comcast/Verizon simply want exactly what Google does. AFAIK, Google does not "prompt" me saying that they mine my data and use it to show ads. In fact, I just tried creating a gmail account and there is no such explicit popup dialog that tell me this informatio…
Google doesn't have a natural monopoly in most of the country, and the ISPs do. Couple that with no ISP equivalent of ctrl+shift+n, and there you are (VPNs are just replacing one ISP with another).
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#9We all hate ads, no doubt about it. But I don't like the way media is going about accusing Comcast and Verizon for what the consumers brought upon themselves. Comcast/Verizon simply want exactly what Google does. AFAIK, Google does not "prompt" me saying that they mine my data and use it to show ads. In fact, I just tried creating a gmail account and there is no such explicit popup dialog that tell me this informatio…
We don't pay any money to google to use their service. We pay to Comcast and Verizon for the service they provide.
Huh? Did you read what I wrote? I said exactly that. Why does not paying money absolve Google of anything? So, if you sign up for my free SaaS service, I can do whatever with your data?
Re: Verizon wants a piece of Google's ad business
#10We all hate ads, no doubt about it. But I don't like the way media is going about accusing Comcast and Verizon for what the consumers brought upon themselves. Comcast/Verizon simply want exactly what Google does. AFAIK, Google does not "prompt" me saying that they mine my data and use it to show ads. In fact, I just tried creating a gmail account and there is no such explicit popup dialog that tell me this informatio…
The problem is that Google and Facebook aren't ISPs. One doesn't have to use Goog/FB to use the Internet. There are other search engines and social networks. One can log out of their Goog/FB account. For most Americans, only one or two ISPs are available where they live.