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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by andrepd »

Cyph0n wrote: post #306
andrepd wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Slightly? As far as I know, the United Kingdom is a democracy while China is an oppressive, imperialist, authoritarian state under oligarchic rule, with complete disregard for human rights or the cries for independence and democracy from its dependencies. Would it be ruled by Britain instead of China there would be a world of difference, don't kid yourself.

Can you name a democratic country with 1 billion+ people that has achieved what China has in such a short period of time? Nope. Do you think China would have progressed the same if it wasn't managed as an autocracy?

Who cares 1,300,000,000 people live without liberty and are subject to humans rights violations? They make cheap shit. Is that what you're saying?

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Post by douche »

Findeton wrote: post #218
douche wrote: post #197

The entire Spanish new world has been a failed state for the past 300 years. Peruvian and Mexican metals kept them viable for a while, but that ran out long ago. Coke has barely filled the void, thanks to US prohibition.

Chile, Panama, Argentina are pretty good in comparison to many other countries. Also if you take into account the last 300 years, well... not only Argentina was richer than the USA 100 years ago but Venezuela (yes, Venezuela) was in better economic shape than, for example Spain, for decades during the XX century.

There's no way that Argentina was richer than the US in 1917, when American manufacturers and bankers were busily sucking up the wealth of the Entente powers by supplying war materiel and loans.

Not even ten years ago, Venezuela was the darling of the NY Times, among others, under Chavez. Of course, gasoline was close to $4 a gallon then.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by douche »

Findeton wrote: post #218
douche wrote: post #197

The entire Spanish new world has been a failed state for the past 300 years. Peruvian and Mexican metals kept them viable for a while, but that ran out long ago. Coke has barely filled the void, thanks to US prohibition.

Chile, Panama, Argentina are pretty good in comparison to many other countries. Also if you take into account the last 300 years, well... not only Argentina was richer than the USA 100 years ago but Venezuela (yes, Venezuela) was in better economic shape than, for example Spain, for decades during the XX century.

Also, Panama would still be a malarial pesthole without the Canal.

Reading up on the various canal schemes in different regions of that era and the French and then American efforts to build the Canal is very interesting.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by douche »

magic_beans wrote: post #340
purple-again wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More dead whites than blacks. Individuals don't care about per capita statistics when they lay dying in the street.

More dead black people by cop guns, that's for damn sure.

Actually, no. People just don't care when white trailer trash get gunned down.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by telesilla »

treehau5 wrote: post #326
telesilla wrote: post #11

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

> makes for a crazy, exciting mix where the wealth and treasure of history and (deserved) national pride contrasts with poverty and the political and social conservatism that goes alongside. I am curious why you grouped political and social conservatism with poverty.

Here's an example: during the 2012 election, a national supermarket chain gave a small amount of credit by way of a gift card to anyone who promised to vote for the (now current) party. Poverty means votes can be bought, allowing politics to focus on maintaining (corporate) status quo instead of providing a good life for citizens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mexicos-presidential-el...

It also means a lower rate of literacy which correlates the world over with social and religious conservatism. Quoting Harvard: ".. economic downturns have contributed to periods of increased social conservatism that have brought right-wing political parties to prominence"

http://rlp.hds.harvard.edu/economic-policies-ideologies-7

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by Cyph0n »

andrepd wrote: post #401
Cyph0n wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a democratic country with 1 billion+ people that has achieved what China has in such a short period of time? Nope. Do you think China would have progressed the same if it wasn't managed as an autocracy?

Who cares 1,300,000,000 people live without liberty and are subject to humans rights violations? They make cheap shit. Is that what you're saying?

I asked you two questions, and you answer with another question.

> They make cheap shit.

What?

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by Cyph0n »

jungletek wrote: post #384
Cyph0n wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you name a democratic country with 1 billion+ people that has achieved what China has in such a short period of time? Nope. Do you think China would have progressed the same if it wasn't managed as an autocracy?

So the ends justify the means, is what you're saying?

Nope. Read my comment again. Here, I'll make it easier:

> Can you name a democratic country with 1 billion+ people that has achieved what China has in such a short period of time? Nope. Do you think China would have progressed the same if it wasn't managed as an autocracy?

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by 3131s »

nakedrobot2 wrote: post #299
3131s wrote: post #199

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Just to clarify, drugs are not legal in Portugal. There is decriminalization on small amounts, but not full legalization. However, Portugal's experiment is a resounding success and I'd expect even greater benefits from legalization (e.g. tax money derived from the industry around recreational drugs).

Well yes but this is a nitpick in my opinion. Drug possession in personal amounts is not a criminal offense. So they are no longer "super illegal" you could say. It's in the same category as a driving offense or something like that. Same in Czech Republic.

It's not a nitpick at all. Without legalization there is no tax money from sales of recreational drugs, and the black market still exists to collect that profit instead. Decriminalization also does not fix problems like contamination of drugs, mislabeling, or inconsistent dosage, whereas legalization would.

Decriminalization is better than nothing but actually misses out on most of the benefits.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by saiya-jin »

Cyph0n wrote: post #201
yincrash wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With the exception of Hong Kong, aren't these all pretty authoritarian states?

I'm not sure about Singapore, but Doha and Dubai are the both capital cities of a monarchy: Qatar and UAE, respectively. Keep that in mind if you ever visit. I lived in the UAE for ~14 years, so I can give you some idea of how safe Dubai is. - You can leave your car in a parking lot for hours, unlocked, with expensive devices clearly visible. Nobody would even come close to it. - There is no need to lock your house w…

I can say same things about Switzerland, and I lived only in worst places in it (big cities, especially Geneva which has highest crime rate due to border with France). Once I forgot to raise a window on my bmw on biggest open public parking lot in Lausanne (city nearby), came after few days (luckily it didn't rain!) and voila! everything inside (albeit nothing of huge value). Stupid me. Forgot a new-ish camera once in train. Somebody found it and just gave it to lost & found.

People lock their homes, we have higher amount of robberies (due to France proximity), but post delivery guys regularly just leave packages by the apartment door and they never disappear.

walking alone during night, through roughest parts like train stations - that's automatic.

> In my 14 years living there, I have never once been robbed, have never even witnessed a crime or robbery, nor have I ever heard of someone (e.g., friends) falling victim to one. The only incident was a break-in at the home of a family we knew. That's it.

Exactly same, apart of 6 years only, and that friend break-in is an ex-gf for me.

Bonus - it's a true and proper democracy, they don't decapitate people on some religious whims and they don't sponsor terrorists. or arrest unmarried couples.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Post by lorenzhs »

avar wrote: post #366
lorenzhs wrote: post #352

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I'm sorry, but the lowest group for that US graphic you linked is higher than the number of the Netherlands (0.58 gun deaths, 0.29 of which are homicides, both per 100k). The lowest groups are 2-7 and 0.5-1.4, respectively, both of which are significantly higher than the value for the Netherlands. In fact, your link shows the exact opposite of what you claim: there isn't a single county in the US that has lower gun d…

You're misreading the graph[1]. The 2-7 grouping is all gun deaths, homicides, suicides, and accidental deaths. If you hover over individual blue counties you can see the breakdown by homicide and suicide rate for some of them. E.g. Washington, NY has a gun homicide rate of 0.46, gun suicide rate of 5.14. Meanwhile The Netherlands has a gun homicide rate of 0.29, gun suicide rate of 0.28, but an overall homicide rate…

Pretty sure I'm not. The 0.58/100k figure for the Netherlands includes all gun deaths, too. Washington, NY, has a population of The fact remains that the US have a gun homicide rate of 3.43/100k, compared to the Netherlands' 0.29/100k (12x), Germany's 0.07/100k (49x), France's 0.21/100k (16x), the UK's 0.06/100k (57x), or Spain's 0.15/100k (23x). That's an order of magnitude difference for all of these countries, with two major EU nations (they haven't left yet! :P) at about 50x fewer gun homicides than the US! Only three EU countries—Italy, Portugal, and Greece—have less than 10x fewer gun homicides, at 0.35, 0.42, and 0.53 per 100k, respectively, or in relative terms: 9.8x, 8x, 6.5x fewer. How is that not a "drastic increase"?

The gun homicide rate in Europe is drastically lower than in the US. That's non-debatable, the data shows it beyond any doubt. So is total homicide rate, albeit by a smaller margin, as per your link, with the US at 3.9, two to four times higher than most EU countries. Singling out Lithuania is misleading.

I'm not going to go into whether access to guns increases suicide rates due to opportunity, that's another discussion. Let's stick with the homicides here.

The "glad you got out of that hellhole" comments you note could be due to movies and TV shows. There is a lot of gun violence in US productions, it's not hard to see how that could create an association for people who haven't lived there.

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