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Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by po »

loewenskind wrote: post #53
mrvir wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted. You are correct. HTML5 is not yet even approved W3C candidate recommendation. To be more accurate Apple should have said that it is committed in implementing HTML5 standard, not that it has done it, because at the moment HTML5 is not ready. From Wikipedia: "Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML5 specification, expects the specification to reach the W3C Candidate Recommendation stage during 2012, and W3C Recommenda…

2022? Then those guys move too slow to be useful. Good on Jobs for trying to force it to move at a more reasonable pace. There is no reason to wait so long.

Ian is not saying people should wait until 2022. That quote is taken out of context.

He was saying that it is useful well before it is an official recommendation. He is a member of the WHAT-WG and Apple was one of the founding members so what he's saying is pretty much in lock-step with apple and the webkit team.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by henrikhansen »

niceguy101 wrote: post #69
dieterrams wrote: post #48

Wow. I can only imagine what the reaction would have been if Google released this with Chrome-only demos. Lots of praise about how Google's leading the way, pushing browsers forward, and you really ought to give Chrome a try. But when Apple does it? A barrage of complaints about how Apple doesn't support standards. It's laughable how transparently people are looking for something, anything to bitch about when it come…

Apple may not allow Java, Flash, Qt and all that on their platform unlike Google's Android(which is open to everything from anyone!). Apple might want to make sure that webkit replaces these unnecessary platforms by implementing exclusive and innovative features. And everyone is like bitching about Apple trying to be the internet monopoly and all that. I am sick and tired of all this Apple hate!

Qt on Android? Never heard of that.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by loewenskind »

niceguy101 wrote: post #63
loewenskind wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that it isn't. You can run the demo in Chrome if you want. Someone in this thread did...

I tried, but didnt work in Chrome. Not that i want it to. Safari is the only browser on my mac and works almost fine.

Did you read the thread? At least 3 people (at the time of this reading) have done it. You have to change the user agent setting.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by [deleted] »

buster wrote: post #67
dieterrams wrote: post #48

Wow. I can only imagine what the reaction would have been if Google released this with Chrome-only demos. Lots of praise about how Google's leading the way, pushing browsers forward, and you really ought to give Chrome a try. But when Apple does it? A barrage of complaints about how Apple doesn't support standards. It's laughable how transparently people are looking for something, anything to bitch about when it come…

So, when MS crippled web development for years with it's browser strategy and proprietary crap it was widely considered very harmful for the web. Now, when Apple does it, it's "pushing the web forward"? We would all use ActiveX controls and be stuck with IE6 if everyone would think like you. And i would argue every company would get the same "hate". Even worse, we've all had this in the past, now we should do everyth…

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Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by eitland »

ellyagg wrote: post #27
bradgessler wrote: post #3

Neat idea, very poor implementation. If you try to view the examples in Google Chrome, you'll get a notice that you have to download Safari ( http://skitch.com/bradgessler/dgw7p/apple-html5 ) This sets a very poor example for Apple supporting standards.

> This sets a very poor example for Apple supporting standards. Can you, or any of the dozens of upvoters, explain the logic behind that criticism? It literally seems to make no sense to me, so I must be missing something. The page talks about emerging web standards and talks about Safari and Apple's support for them. It mentions that not all browsers support all of the latest standards, and then it gives examples of…

I think a lot of people around here have bad memories from the last time it was acceptable to put "best viewed with " on a web site.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by loewenskind »

loewenskind wrote: post #83
niceguy101 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried, but didnt work in Chrome. Not that i want it to. Safari is the only browser on my mac and works almost fine.

Did you read the thread? At least 3 people (at the time of this reading) have done it. You have to change the user agent setting.

Can someone please look into who is going through downvoting all my posts without comment?

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by watty »

al_james wrote: post #78
niceguy101 wrote: post #70

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Tried on my iphone and iPad. The demos work at low framerate and is kind of slow. But its just a mobile device. I am not really expecting cpu intensive html5 application to work on these light devices. Thats what my macpro is for.

Yeah, but Apple seem to be suggesting that you can use HTML5 for nice looking (near native animation) effects on these devices.

Do they really? Or do they realize that it's going to be some years before HTML5 is efficient enough and just want native apps?

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by lftl »

loewenskind wrote: post #53
mrvir wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upvoted. You are correct. HTML5 is not yet even approved W3C candidate recommendation. To be more accurate Apple should have said that it is committed in implementing HTML5 standard, not that it has done it, because at the moment HTML5 is not ready. From Wikipedia: "Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML5 specification, expects the specification to reach the W3C Candidate Recommendation stage during 2012, and W3C Recommenda…

2022? Then those guys move too slow to be useful. Good on Jobs for trying to force it to move at a more reasonable pace. There is no reason to wait so long.

To understand the 2022 date, you have to understand what the W3C currently means by "Recommendation."

From here http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/FAQ:

For a spec to become a REC today, it requires two 100% complete and fully interoperable implementations, which is proven by each successfully passing literally thousands of test cases (20,000 tests for the whole spec would probably be a conservative estimate)

The candidate recommendation phase, which WHATWG expects to happen next year is a much more relevant date. That aside I do wonder if this level of effort isn't just wasted pedantry.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by jcromartie »

al_james wrote: post #68

Has anyone tried these on iPad or iPhone? Some of them are not smooth on my macbook, surly they must suck on a low CPU device? Or am I wrong?

They are amazing on the iPad. Perfectly smooth and hardware-accelerated.
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