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Re: Apple & HTML5

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bradgessler wrote: post #33
ellyagg wrote: post #27

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> This sets a very poor example for Apple supporting standards. Can you, or any of the dozens of upvoters, explain the logic behind that criticism? It literally seems to make no sense to me, so I must be missing something. The page talks about emerging web standards and talks about Safari and Apple's support for them. It mentions that not all browsers support all of the latest standards, and then it gives examples of…

A poignant example is all of the non-standard -webkit CSS extensions Apple uses for the Gallery demo ( http://www.apple.com/html5/showcase/gallery/ ): #gallery-demo .grid2d figure:nth-child(5) { -webkit-transform: translateX(-241px) translateY(-3px) scale(.45) translateZ(1000px);} If you accept -webkit CSS extensions as a standard, then Internet Explorer has supported the CSS opacity attribute for years: filter: prog…

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ube wrote: post #10
[deleted] wrote: post #4

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Since both chrome and safari use webkit to render - chrome should work too shouldn't it? Granted - Apple's definition of open is "you should only use Apple products".

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Post by StupidDorks »

Fuck this community is full of Apple Fanboys! This is the biggest pile of shit apple has handed out about HTML 5. Download safari? Who works at apple dickheads. Sad to see so many dumb US people using APPlE products

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by mrvir »

noibl wrote: post #30
ellyagg wrote: post #28

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Uh, what? The vast majority of the time, when people talk about web standards, they mean the W3C recommendations. Suddenly, when Apple uses it in marketing material, it means "recommendations that have been implemented by all browsers"?

Compare: http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/ 'W3C Working Draft 4 March 2010' http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/ 'W3C Recommendation 24 December 1999' So by 'recommendation', am I to assume you're talking about HTML 4.01? (edit: again with the downvotes, no answer...)

Upvoted. You are correct. HTML5 is not yet even approved W3C candidate recommendation.

To be more accurate Apple should have said that it is committed in implementing HTML5 standard, not that it has done it, because at the moment HTML5 is not ready.

From Wikipedia: "Ian Hickson, editor of the HTML5 specification, expects the specification to reach the W3C Candidate Recommendation stage during 2012, and W3C Recommendation in the year 2022 or later. However, many parts of the specification are stable and may be implemented in products"

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by ck2 »

The propaganda and hypocriticism from Apple is staggering.

(if you are going to downvote me, at least say why not)

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by niswilsonnissen »

Since a lot the html5 modules (and related standards) are still being worked on, we can't expect every tech demo of the new features to work in every browser.

Apple wanted to show some very shiny html5 demos and that is fine. There is a good chance that everything shown there will be working across all the major browsers in a not too distant future. (Yes they have have to loose the vendor prefix -webkit first, but that is actually the recommended way to use non-finalized preview features of the emerging standards).

I see this as Apple pushing the html5 wagon forward, the same as the other major browser vendors do. Have you tried Internet Explorer 9 Preview demos in other browsers?

Finally the html standard is moving forward again after years of standstill. How anybody can complain about that is beyond me.

Cheers!

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by dieterrams »

Wow. I can only imagine what the reaction would have been if Google released this with Chrome-only demos. Lots of praise about how Google's leading the way, pushing browsers forward, and you really ought to give Chrome a try.

But when Apple does it? A barrage of complaints about how Apple doesn't support standards. It's laughable how transparently people are looking for something, anything to bitch about when it comes to Apple, no matter what they do.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by drusenko »

alanstorm wrote: post #24

Does anyone know what word we're supposed to use for "Web Development techniques that help ensure a consistency of experience across browsers for all users regardless of browser choice" now that "standards" means something else?

these are experimental standards. they're being actively developed and discussed by many browser makers and the standards bodies, and will be the official standards soon.

don't hate on people trying to push the web forward. everybody is going it in a very fair, open, democratic method as trying to implement ideas as quickly as possible.

Re: Apple & HTML5

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Post by dbrannan »

If browsers stick to standards then great, but as this demo proves (since it only works in Safari) you'll still need to develop for various browsers, versions, brands, types.

As I see it - I'll stick with Flash. I like the idea of write once and deploy everywhere, which worked pretty well for me until the iTouch/iPhone/iPad came along.

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