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Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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It's worth nothing that the admins did actively ban users trying to make swastikas. /b/ tried and found that out the hard way. Reddit's content policy[1] was still applicable and was very much enforced. [1] https://www.reddit.com/help/contentpolicy/

Maybe it was even useful as bait, eliminating lots of accounts of those users from their userbase.

If so, even better IMO.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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I, too, thought that was a big part of the fun! I liked the competition of it all. I'm a bit surprised to learn this wasn't a popular sentiment.

Depends on what you get out of Reddit. Are you there for the content aggregation or the communities? I imagine those wanting to enjoy content weren't all that happy with the tangent. We've known for years though that community websites become useless on April Fools anyway.

For me, it's a bit of both, depending on the community. That's why I like Reddit; the culture is different sub to sub.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

#183
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You need to explain yourself better. You seem to be opposed to Nazism, but in favor of their symbol. Why?

I upvoted you because it is sad that ignorance is downvoted :(

A downvote like that isn't personal, and if a comment that's wrong out of ignorance is visibly downvoted then that can help teach passers-by.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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>ugly trolling and hate speech is that the alt-right Or your preconceived notions of conservative people are wrong.

Have you seen any of the alt-right communities? The alt-right is not your traditional conservative. It's not a preconceived notion that /r/the_donald is filled to the brim with hate speech and trolls. You simply have to go there and look for yourself.

I think the term "alt-right" at this point is just a catch-all derogatory for shitty people who happen to be a certain type of nationalist rightist, in much the same way that "SJW" refers to shitty people who happen to be associated with the social justice movement.

Before the election, there was a narrower meaning, but as soon as the Clinton campaign mentioned it and the media picked it up, any hope of the term having any concrete meaning was lost forever. (This isn't helped by the fact that people love using it to attack arbitrary conservatives, in much the same way that SJW is sometimes used to attack anyone who expresses views supportive of social justice without behaving badly).

EDIT: I don't let myself get worked up about downvotes in political conversations, but this one has me pretty curious. My comment wasn't even remotely offensive to any part of the political spectrum.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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Somebody who does not even know you exist, puts up a drawing which they have no idea whether you will see or not, for their own purposes which you have no way of knowing, and you happen to come across it and feel bad. I think it's not fair to the word "bullying" to use it in this context. There's a point where the word is no longer appropriate--I think "passive" bullying is an oxymoron. A bully is someone who targets…

The symbols, especially in this particular context, are put up as representations of the communities (and their ideals) that put them there. What community does the swastika represent and what are their ideals? The 'passive' bullying is done by displaying the symbol in a public space to 'bully' those who recognize it as a message that they are not welcome and not wanted in that space.

Out of interest, what is your opinion about jokes related to Nazis? Are skits that have a swastika in them bad because they have a swastika in them? If someone says something that is clearly a white supremacist ideal, but doesn't use a swastika, does that make their message any less bad?

From my experience "symbol X is offensive" doesn't actually help distinguish between malicious and non-malicious people because the thing that makes someone malicious is their actions and views, not the iconography they use to express said actions and views.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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Well, having (or lacking) a sexual orientation or identity is not politics, it just is . But expressing it, identifying with others who share it, forming groups and alliances and a shared sense of community is precisely what politics is. I think we pretty much agree.

No, it only becomes political when it comes to forcing other groups to change or support your cause. My meetup dedicated to showing off old hardware is not political. If I tried to force a tax on everyone through a referendum to support my group, then I've made it political.

You can also be forced to become political - if someone tried to make it illegal to show off old hardware for instance. It's why the NRA is a political group, as are most LGBT groups.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

#187
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I find this interesting in what it lacked: * No Google / Twitter / Facebook / Amazon * No news networks (except NPR) * Hardly any corporations except for Tesla, Space X, AMD, Lego and IKEA * No GTA, FIFA, large corporate games * Only 6 actual people (1/3 of which was the Dutch dutchy) * No films * No iconic logos - e.g. Olympics rings, Nike, McDonalds

Lego and IKEA were only there because they represented the rivalry between Denmark and Sweden. But I do find it interesting how Tesla and Space X fans are so dedicated that they'd be willing to fight for them.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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Yeah, look on the Far Left (/r/TheFarLeftSide/). Reddit's radical leftist contingent spent a tremendous amount of time protecting the hammer and sickle, Comrade Party Parrot, and BLM from brigading by the far right. In fact, I'd argue that one of the reasons there wasn't more ugly trolling and hate speech is that the alt-right were mainly wasting their time trying to deface the FarLeftSide rather than producing anyth…

I don't see how hammer and sickle, a symbol used by multiple governments to oppress and murder millions of people, is in any way more appropriate than any far right symbol.

I too am always baffled about how much more accepted communist imagery is than Nazi imagery. Mao and Stalins death counts far outstrip Hitlers. Also anyone advocating nazism in public would be rightly shouted down but you get heavily upvoted posts here advocating all sorts of nonsense proven to kill millions.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

#189

I think this was a pretty neat experiment. For the first 24 hours everything was chaos, then it settled down in the middle as communities formed, then at the end it was just annoying as every subreddit was trying to take over real-estate, and far too many people were taking it way too seriously. It got annoying going to certain subreddits that I subscribe to for content started getting flooded with "Man the decks, we…

People made attempts to put political messages on the canvas, but with the polarized nature of our two-party political system the two sides basically canceled each other's efforts out. This didn't happen to less controversial imagery, which survived through to the end because half of the user base didn't object to it.

Re: Reddit’s April Fools’ experiment

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This defines the word "political" to be so broad as to render it essentially meaningless. I can't like Star Trek without "buying into a box of propositions"? Really ? First, you're going to have to tell me why I like Star Trek.

What I am saying is that politics is an externalization rather than an internalization--which is very far from meaningless. Your why doesn't matter (and it's one reason why the right wing's "but I didn't support the Republicans because of racism" is so hollow). Your what matters. And it matters to other people. It's inescapably political because you live in a polity and your decisions impact other people. See, for ex…

> "but I didn't support the Republicans because of racism" is so hollow). Your what matters. And it matters to other people. It's inescapably political because you live in a polity and your decisions impact other people. See, for example, the useful idiots of GamerGate who provided air cover to people who sent death and rape threats to women who had the temerity to make video games. If they're the one in a figurative million, literally-few-thousand who actually cares about "ethics in games journalism", that doesn't matter in the slightest because of what they enable through their action and their inaction.

It's this kind of maximalism that makes our politics so disgustingly toxic. It's entirely consistent for a hypothetical person to think that Hillary Clinton's hawkishness and role in the Middle East escapades of the last decade and a half are more damaging and evil than the Republican Party's association with racism in 2016's America. Your equally-ignorant doppelganger on the other side could say "it rings hollow that you say you didn't vote for Hillary _because_ of imperialism" and "see for example the useful idiots of the Democratic party who provide air cover for legitimizing the murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi innocents"[1]. Both of you can sit on your high horse, convinced that everyone else on the other side is guilty of the worst sins and too ignorant to know or evil to care. In the meanwhile, the level of political discourse drops ever lower and the level of political dysfunction climbs.

Being unable to separate people's intent from their n-degrees-of-separation theoretical impact isn't enlightened, it's childish. I know it's a lot of mental effort to consider the fact that those that disagree with you aren't evil, but hey, being an adult is hard.

[1] Note that none of the hypothetical political views in this comment are necessarily ones that I hold.

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