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Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by mattdm »

phaylon wrote: post #139
mattdm wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing an LTS release is every expensive, and since the bulk of Fedora is done by community volunteers rather than 9-to-5 packagers, it's not something we can really fairly ask. One of the funny things we often get is "Fedora should be LTS. Or rolling-release!", which is odd because these things are generally at complete odds — no change, or constant change. We think we have a better approach: consistent, quality-chec…

I would assume LTS and rolling releases align for some people due to impact on the user. LTS gives a long time between impacts, rolling releases spread the impact out over time. I could see every-n-months releases to hit a bad spot of too frequent for the size of the impact for some people.

I can see that. The overall message, though, is people want less negative impact from upgrades, and there are multiple ways to address that, of which LTS and rolling-release are only two of the possibilities.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by Karunamon »

mirimir wrote: post #47
Karunamon wrote: post #18

Don't get me wrong, warts regarding high DPIs have existed for far too long and definitely need some love, but I'm a bit sadder the few complaints I see about design direction were not taken on board. Running what appears to be a touch UI (definition: very few buttons, those that exist are large, lots of dead space, information density very low) with a mouse feels shockingly unproductive, and at least personally, con…

You can reduce the size of the launcher and icons. And have the launcher hidden until you mouse to a corner.

I can also use a different DE, but that's really not the point. Defaults matter.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by gmluke »

mattdm wrote: post #136
najati83 wrote: post #34

If you are reading this: I installed Fedora recently because I wanted to try it and I found the partitioning process to be absurdly complicated, compared to that of Debian or Ubuntu (ubiquity). I have several partitions of several operating systems in this disk and I was hesitant to continue because it wasn't very clear what the partitioner was about to do with my disk. Unfortunately that was months ago so I can't re…

There's basically two ways to do advanced partitioning. (Of course, there's a "just do it" automated option too.) 1. I understand about disks, volumes, partitions, filesystems, and I want to build it all up. 2. I have goals (like redundancy) and would like to tell the installer to give me that from whatever resources are available. The former works very well for sysadmins and Linux enthusiasts (the people likely to b…

I see what you're saying, but I suspect the top-down approach is not the cause of the usability issues with Anaconda. The problems are simply that it isn't always clear which buttons do what, which partitions are about to get zapped, and what the next action should be at any given point. It's not unusable, but it could be easier.

The Blivet GUI looks like it could fix many of these issues.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by BHSPitMonkey »

lima wrote: post #6

I'm using a 4k screen and a HiDPI thinkpad (T460p) for my workstation and it works amazingly well even today. Was a wild ride since Skylake + 4k + docking station became stable only recently with Linux 4.9, but scaling always worked. Here's what it takes: Xft DPI and hinting settings (font rendering): # .Xresources Xft.dpi: 144 Xft.hinting: 1 Xft.hintstyle: hintslight Xft.antialias: 1 Xcursor.size: 48 Xcursor.theme:…

I've been doing something very similar under Ubuntu for the last year or two (I manually launch a script that resembles your last xrandr snippet whenever I dock my hidpi ThinkPad with my 1440p secondary display). It tends to have varying degrees of success depending on updates that come out.

For one, I have to repeat some of the commands in my script because otherwise I don't end up with the same end result every time. After it's done, for some reason the cursor arrow flickers when it's on the primary display. Sometimes, if I'm unlucky, UI window shadows will draw in the wrong place, and when I'm REALLY unlucky the script crashes X entirely.

Right now I'm hoping that Wayland (or, if I have to, Mir) end up built in a way that makes this kind of configuration stable, intuitive, and sane.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by JdeBP »

> a lot of the items people asked for in that thread we already have in Fedora Workstation

Not really. In fact overwhelmingly not. It is a huge discussion (not a single thread, by the way) where a lot of people ask for a lot of things, many of which M. Schaller does not mention at all. M. Schaller got just 9 things out of a Hacker News discussion that now spans 4 pages. Here are just a few of the things from the discussion that M. Schaller omitted entirely, giving some indication of the range of stuff that people asked about.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14008011

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14024061

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14011179

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14010769

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14012610

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14008924

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007458

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007065

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14009784

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14009371

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007369

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14009092

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by RandyRanderson »

lima wrote: post #128
RandyRanderson wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ya there's so many that are pretty close but do something crazy like only support soldered on 8GB ram while including a DVD because that's something ppl use according to 2007.

T460s has both extensible memory and no DVD. Really nice machine.

Pretty nice. But, again, no discrete graphics.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by phkahler »

badminton1 wrote: post #17

The GNOME Tweak tool can help configuring GNOME for HiDPI settings through scaling factors. Also changing fonts, themes and such. The default GNOME themes are functional but I never enjoyed them much. Sam Hewitt made an excellent theme for GNOME, including a full icon and cursor set. It really does improve the look and feel of GNOME. https://snwh.org/paper

Another poster said to install the tweak tool. WHY is the tool used to change such settings not installed by default?

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by mattdm »

mattdm wrote: post #136
najati83 wrote: post #34

If you are reading this: I installed Fedora recently because I wanted to try it and I found the partitioning process to be absurdly complicated, compared to that of Debian or Ubuntu (ubiquity). I have several partitions of several operating systems in this disk and I was hesitant to continue because it wasn't very clear what the partitioner was about to do with my disk. Unfortunately that was months ago so I can't re…

There's basically two ways to do advanced partitioning. (Of course, there's a "just do it" automated option too.) 1. I understand about disks, volumes, partitions, filesystems, and I want to build it all up. 2. I have goals (like redundancy) and would like to tell the installer to give me that from whatever resources are available. The former works very well for sysadmins and Linux enthusiasts (the people likely to b…

Oh hey look, there is a [Test Day](https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2017-04-06_AnacondaB...) scheduled for tomorrow (April 6, 2017) to shake out bugs in the new interface for F26.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by BoorishBears »

herbst wrote: post #85
BoorishBears wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reduced-resolution thing has been a trick for ages, I just refused to use the 4k screen I paid a premium for at half res with horrid (seriously, horrid complete with artifacts and fuzz, I even patched xrandr to disable bi-cubic filtering trying to make it ok and still couldn't stand it) looking text aliasing. I'm impressed you'd call that "pretty much perfect and comparable (if not better) to macOS with a recent…

Isn't especially mac known for having various issues with dual monitor setups? Sure the scaling works pretty well but the flicker and the idea that you can only use it with power cable are definitly deal breakers for me.

I've never had flickering with up to 3 monitors at once (even when one is 3440x1440) and it never required a power cable
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