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DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by rodionos »

zerr wrote: post #100
rodionos wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free shipping matters and so does removing the logistics overhead and the risks associated with a potential candidate. Moving overseas labor right next to your door surely increases the pressure on the domestic labor market. I'm an outsider and the State Department unfortunately doesn't publish statistics on visa type transitions, e.g. how many people went from H-4 to H1-B, as well as from J-1 to H1-B. J-1 for instan…

We are not talking about abusing of H1B, but when the candidate really satisfies the requirements and the salary offered is on par or better compared to local worker at the same level. So we agree that "importing" skilled people is good for the country.

I actually talked about a different subject, namely secondary effects. I argued that the displacement of jobs with H-1B visa holders is greater that the exact number of H-1Bs due to additional pool of H-4 candidates who are now in a better position to compete for new job openings.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by mjad2003 »

The company I have been working as a contractor for several years decided last year to cancel all contractor contracts. Most American contract workers had their contracts cancelled at the end of calendar year 2016, only a few Americans were extended past the beginning of the new calendar year but all H-1B visa contractors were hired into permanent positions. Now as one of the extended American contractors, I have been notified my contract will be terminated, though I am highly qualified and have a very heavy work load. I believe during this month I will be called upon to train another less qualified worker in my current duties. This is occurring all through tech industries.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

throwasehasdwi wrote: post #94
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are ALL on H1Bs, then why are they located in the states at all? I'm pro immigration (and H1B), but that just seems weird.

so they can reap the benefits of US investment?

It just doesn't seem what the H1B was meant for.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by sfifs »

gambiting wrote: post #74
adrr wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easiest solution is stack rank all H1b applicants by salary and fill the quota with based on ranking. Top talent in theory should be making the most money so we wouldn't risk losing them.

Hmmm. I have a friend who has an extremely specific PhD and was offered a job in Atlanta, for a position that would be hard to fill otherwise as his expertise is quite unique. So on one hand, you have a person with unique expertise, but on the other, he would be joining as a junior, so he would be paid a great salary - for that level. But he would be competing for visas with Seniors who will be paid more at other com…

So if the extremely niche specialty is really valuable, the potential employer should increase his or her pay to compete and stop linking salary to age or experience.

Any really highly skilled, highly qualified white collar job adds hundreds of thousands in value at the very least in just about any industry, so what's 30-40 thousand dollars more to the company.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #32
negrit wrote: post #9

The consulting firms have been abusing the H-1B system for years. I've been documenting it for couple years here: http://www.jobsintech.io/immigration_companies#name=&city=&s... You can clearly see that the top companies using H-1B visas are consulting firms.

A simple solution for the consulting companies would be a rule requiring all H-1B sponsors to have at least 51% of their domestic staff be US citizens. That would ruin the wacked out business model of the body shops and return to a fair playing field for Americans in their own country.

The point of the program was to employ individuals with unique and exceptional skills that were otherwise not found, at all, in the country.

The point is NOT to have 49% of your staff be H1B's in order to reduce costs.

The original rules were fine, let's just get some enforcement, including on the facilitators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by zerr »

rodionos wrote: post #101
zerr wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not talking about abusing of H1B, but when the candidate really satisfies the requirements and the salary offered is on par or better compared to local worker at the same level. So we agree that "importing" skilled people is good for the country.

I actually talked about a different subject, namely secondary effects. I argued that the displacement of jobs with H-1B visa holders is greater that the exact number of H-1Bs due to additional pool of H-4 candidates who are now in a better position to compete for new job openings.

And I was saying that there is nothing wrong with it. The less bureaucratic hassle for skilled people the better.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by mavelikara »

rodionos wrote: post #101
zerr wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are not talking about abusing of H1B, but when the candidate really satisfies the requirements and the salary offered is on par or better compared to local worker at the same level. So we agree that "importing" skilled people is good for the country.

I actually talked about a different subject, namely secondary effects. I argued that the displacement of jobs with H-1B visa holders is greater that the exact number of H-1Bs due to additional pool of H-4 candidates who are now in a better position to compete for new job openings.

> due to additional pool of H-4 candidates

Counting out H-4 EADs [1], the spouse on H-4 has to apply for an H-1B, go through the lottery, prove his/her qualifications, and only then get a job. So no, being on H-4 does not automatically get one a job.

[1] at which point they are only one step away from permanent residency

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

tn135 wrote: post #23
ziszis wrote: post #3

H1b visas have primarily been used by consulting companies to bring in less expensive junior engineers ( [1] http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2017-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx

Only if laws of economics in such a complex system were easy to guess. The more likely scenario in my opinion is American companies more aggressively moving their jobs to India and even other related business to more visa friendly countries like Mexico. My employer has already moved his QA department to India full fledge putting freeze on all QA hiring in USA. Easily 10-15 jobs lost.

On the one hand you warn about trying to guess the outcomes of complex economic systems, while on the other you go ahead and put forward a wild guess yourself.

It's just as likely that although some jobs may be sent back to India, if all wages increase, then it's a net benefit to your average American.

Re: DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers

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Post by ConfuciusSay02 »

ebola1717 wrote: post #24
solutionyogi wrote: post #21

I am so torn on this. On one hand, I spent 10 years on H1B in the US and the amount of H1B abuse that goes on is crazy. On the other hand, I would not have received my H1B under current guidelines.

Yeah, this policy is very clearly meant to curb immigration , not H1B abuse.

Tech workers have been complaining about H1B abuse since its inception.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

Trump should be given credit for finally doing something about instead of Trump-deranged people looking for phantom motives.

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