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Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Re: Tim Berners-Lee wins Turing Award

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Post by bholdr »

jacquesm wrote: post #3

Key quote (for me) from the interview: "A social network is disempowering because you put a lot of energy into it, all your personal data out there, and tell it who your friends are. You can only use that information inside the silo of that particular social network." source: https://www.technologyreview.com/s/604052/webs-inventor-tim-...

Tim's vision for a Giant Global Graph (2007)

http://dig.csail.mit.edu/breadcrumbs/node/215

and something we tried to do as well: http://yansh.github.io/articles/moana/

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Post by jlebrech »

peterkelly wrote: post #36
jlebrech wrote: post #18

good for him, but whoever thought it was a good idea to make webpages other than a markup language for documents needs to be shot.

Do you realise that your comment, and HN itself, would not exist if no forms of interactivity were ever implemented on the web?

gopher

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Post by nkristoffersen »

dexterdog wrote: post #37
ycombinete wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I use Fastmail, and encrypt my Google Drive data. It isn't any more secure as far as I can tell, but I'm tired of 2-3 companies holding all my easily accessible data in one place. Especially when they are openly using that data for advertising. These days I'll always take a paid service over a "free" one where I'm the product.

But that requires scrutiny as well. Just because you're paying does not mean that they are not profiting off of your data.

I trust google reasonably well when they say they do not scan G Suite (paid) products for advertising. https://support.google.com/work/answer/6056650?hl=en

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Post by laumars »

chriswarbo wrote: post #65
Kenji wrote: post #4

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Yeah. I wish we had something more decentralised, like e-mail, but for social networks. Like, a standardized social network protocol that most people use (popularity is important here). There is nothing special about what social networks like Facebook do, the biggest challenge is probably serving so many requests and storing lots of data with high availability.

> There is nothing special about what social networks like Facebook do, the biggest challenge is probably serving so many requests and storing lots of data with high availability. The difficulty with decentralising is that these are the biggest challenge to centralised systems like Facebook; they're problems which are very nice to have ("oh no, we have a billion users!"). The biggest challenge for decentralised syste…

"email" isn't even a single protocol. Even just talking about SMTP you'd run into lots of "common edge cases" where different servers respond to errors differently, a lack of TLS uniformity, variations in auth, variations in host detection, etc. And that's before you take collection into account (POP3, IMAP, IMAP+, ActiveSync, etc).

Email is a mess of kludges and frankly could benefit from a ground up re-implementation. In fact many have tried. But like with creating a decentralised social network, it doesn't matter if you have an arguably better implementation if you don't generate the snowball effect attracting users to your "better" platform.

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Post by nojvek »

stan_rogers wrote: post #64
danielpatrick wrote: post #42

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As a matter of fact, this is what Sir Berners Lee is working on right now at MIT. https://solid.mit.edu/ The issue is not storing the data, just like "email" doesn't store data. It's just a protocol and a data format. This makes it interoperable across whichever industry player wants to spring up and compete for your service. Ex: Don't like gmail? Go to ProtonMail. And you don't lose the ability to interact with peop…

That's Sir Tim(othy) . The "Sir" attaches to the given name, not the surname.

I've never quite figured out how sirs work. I know Knights were addressed with sirs and the Queen had something to do with it, but how does it work in a multicultural UK?

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Post by epmaybe »

danielpatrick wrote: post #42
Kenji wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. I wish we had something more decentralised, like e-mail, but for social networks. Like, a standardized social network protocol that most people use (popularity is important here). There is nothing special about what social networks like Facebook do, the biggest challenge is probably serving so many requests and storing lots of data with high availability.

As a matter of fact, this is what Sir Berners Lee is working on right now at MIT. https://solid.mit.edu/ The issue is not storing the data, just like "email" doesn't store data. It's just a protocol and a data format. This makes it interoperable across whichever industry player wants to spring up and compete for your service. Ex: Don't like gmail? Go to ProtonMail. And you don't lose the ability to interact with peop…

Sort of off topic, but this is exactly what I want in electronic medical records. Being able to take my data and give it to whichever healthcare provider I go to.

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Post by nojvek »

seejay wrote: post #63
lucideer wrote: post #55

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Reasonable assumption to make for someone named Gabe?

Yes, I'm very sorry for not being an expert in foreign names HN. Thank you.

I know a couple of women named Gabe. I think that assumption could be misleading.

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Post by pinko »

peter303 wrote: post #86

I remember doing internet research before there was the web. For example in the late 1980s I studied California earthquakes. The USGS had a public ftp site where they put daily epicenter map images (jpeg?) and text databases of epicenters. I wrote automated scripts to download new stuff. I remember there even internet search engines at the time. People wrote automated scipts to look for public ftp ports and compiledb…

Yes, Archie[1]. Wonderful resource until it was superseded.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archie_search_engine

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Post by nojvek »

Cyph0n wrote: post #87
madiathomas wrote: post #72

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Odds of becoming a US dollar billionaire are higher than odds of winning it in your lifetime.

That's a nice way to put it :P

How do they choose the winners? Also I guess how CEO's get credit for the doing of a company, TBL gets credit for the Internet?
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