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Post by RandyRanderson »

lima wrote: post #69
RandyRanderson wrote: post #55

My advice: Instead of supporting a bunch of hardware poorly make one laptop like the macbook pro with: * 2 ram slots * 2 M.2 SSD slots * a decent kb * a decent touchpad * a decent screen * discrete graphics * good battery management (you can do this because it's only one) * thunderbolt 3 * at least 3 usb ports * no dvd * ONE TRRS audio port * ethernet * HDMI for legacy reasons forget about * thinnest * lightest * or…

Partnering with an established vendor like Lenovo would make more sense. Modern ThinkPads (Carbon X1, T460[s], ...) come pretty close to your requirements.

Ya there's so many that are pretty close but do something crazy like only support soldered on 8GB ram while including a DVD because that's something ppl use according to 2007.

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Post by RandyRanderson »

sandGorgon wrote: post #73
RandyRanderson wrote: post #55

My advice: Instead of supporting a bunch of hardware poorly make one laptop like the macbook pro with: * 2 ram slots * 2 M.2 SSD slots * a decent kb * a decent touchpad * a decent screen * discrete graphics * good battery management (you can do this because it's only one) * thunderbolt 3 * at least 3 usb ports * no dvd * ONE TRRS audio port * ethernet * HDMI for legacy reasons forget about * thinnest * lightest * or…

you mean the XPS 15 ? this is pretty much what you described and you can buy it right now. You missed on thing though - NVME SSD compatibility. Its the only innovation in hardware that can get you performance gains for the next couple of years. I gave up the 2 ram slots in exchange for a single removable NVME SSD slot for the ultra thin XPS 13. The integrated graphics card is powerful enough to play Bioshock Infinite…

Me and probably most developers could use 32GB RAM at least once every month. Sure, most don't but why not just put 2 slots on the board?

NVME SSD is there, agreed.

A lot of ppl are using the discrete graphics for 3d modeling, encoding vids, ML or the newest, more taxing games. Historically the Intel drivers have not been up to snuff here.

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Post by RandyRanderson »

noja wrote: post #60
RandyRanderson wrote: post #55

My advice: Instead of supporting a bunch of hardware poorly make one laptop like the macbook pro with: * 2 ram slots * 2 M.2 SSD slots * a decent kb * a decent touchpad * a decent screen * discrete graphics * good battery management (you can do this because it's only one) * thunderbolt 3 * at least 3 usb ports * no dvd * ONE TRRS audio port * ethernet * HDMI for legacy reasons forget about * thinnest * lightest * or…

Where did you get these specs from? A survey?

From the hot, sweaty dreams of most developers. If Apple adds a decent discrete graphics chip to their pro line, I believe Dell, etc sales in this segment will crater and a lot of developers will just stop using windows. Thats really bad in the long term for MS and Dell, etc becaues those users are not coming back and are the ppl that others ask about what laptop to buy.

For some reason, the big laptop manufacturers refuse to make this laptop. Smaller ones can't afford the chip volumes to make them.

The closest thing I've found is the MSI gs73 with the nvidia 1050ti. The issue: they put a regular mechanical drive is instead of more battery, which gives it a mere 2.5hours of battery. :<

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Post by justryry »

Tharkun wrote: post #120

My biggest gripe with Fedora is Gnome. Modern Gnome has the worst (out of the box) window management I've ever encountered. Its default alt-tab behaviour is insane (you have to use alt-tab + arrow keys to navigate multiple terminal instances because it automagically groups things in an unusable manner). Virtual Desktops used to better, now they're more basic and less versatile. When my touchpad is disabled, Gnome som…

Funny, window switching is my favorite feature of Gnome 3.

I use alt-tab to change application, alt-` to change windows of the application. Quite easy to navigate IMO. It never occurred to me to use the arrow keys inside of the window switcher.

The one thing I do miss is a good tiling layout. There's a few plugins out there but not one I found actually works.

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Post by arunarunarun »

captainmuon wrote: post #106

I'm a bit late to the party, but what I'd like most from Fedora (and by extension, Gnome / Systemd, ... devs) is something on the meta level. This isn't meant to sound harsh, but I don't know how to say it. Please don't do the cascade of attention-deficient teenagers thing. Please take backwards compatibility seriously. And please give me a stable distribution. Stable doesn't mean a years old Firefox. CentOS is not s…

That's what all the effort around Flatpak is for

edit: link to Christian's post about it -- https://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2016/06/21/fedora-workstation...

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by Tsiklon »

gmluke wrote: post #113
Tsiklon wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The partitioner would be absolutely fine were the system i was using intended to be a single OS machine. but mine isn't. My issues with it are from a HCI perspective; - the Done button is context sensitive which is rubbish. - Select Automatically Configure Partitioning and it will go back to the Installation summary - Select "I Will configure Partitioning" it will go into the partitioner. - There is no Cancel button…

I agree with all these criticisms. The anaconda installer, particularly the partitioning interface, is not at all intuitive. The first time I installed Fedora alongside an existing OS I thought it was really likely something would get messed up. Debian's installer is excellent, in my experience.

In my opinion; of all the sections in an Operating System's installation program the partitioner should be the least vague of all.

At every step of the partitioning/volume management process you should be able to quickly undo or back out of your selection. only when the user is happy with the structure or layout should any change be committed, likewise there should be no ambiguity in the functionality of any aspect of it's operation.

After all it is your data you may be potentially blowing away.

It's been a while since I last installed Debian, so I can't comment on the installation experience there though I can't recall running into any issues. It was a perfectly forgettable experience. The Ubuntu installer was also excellent, and the partitioning aspect was both clean and clear when creating a custom setup.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by lima »

RandyRanderson wrote: post #121
lima wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Partnering with an established vendor like Lenovo would make more sense. Modern ThinkPads (Carbon X1, T460[s], ...) come pretty close to your requirements.

Ya there's so many that are pretty close but do something crazy like only support soldered on 8GB ram while including a DVD because that's something ppl use according to 2007.

T460s has both extensible memory and no DVD. Really nice machine.

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Post by jankotek »

s_kilk wrote: post #93
ccozan wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can report my non-stop 21 years usage of redhat based distributions ( well, along other Unices ). Never was I left down. Fedora from 24-25 version is so polished, I can't believe myself when all the hardware works just as expected and the screen is such a beauty. Edit: I have to mention that I am also a diehard KDE fan. Plasma 5.8 is just amazing.

A few questions: - Is KDE a first-class citizen in Fedora-land? Everything I see about Fedora seems to focus on Gnome as the one-true-desktop - How's the battery/power situation? I've seen some reviews find fault with battery performance under Fedora 25 as being worse than before (supposedly because of Wayland)

KDE in last fedora is fine except KDE specific bugs. Battery life is good, but KDE uses xwin.

Re: Fedora dev: “HN feedback on what they want from their Desktop – We got it”

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Post by sandGorgon »

reitanqild wrote: post #104
sandGorgon wrote: post #70

This is incredible. I had written a comment on the original thread on why I had moved to fedora after 14 years of using Ubuntu and this post confirms that I made the right choice. For some unkNown reason, Fedora is considered "bleeding edge" and unstable..While Ubuntu is considered mainstream. The truth is that fedora is probably the most polished Linux distribution out there right now..Including a brilliant UI exper…

For some unkNown reason, Fedora is considered "bleeding edge" and unstable.. I cannot say I never had problems with Ubuntu. But I can say I had worse problems with Fedora to the point where I gave it up. I might have been unlucky but I think my experience is as relevant as anyone elses. No Linux specialist but have used Linux since 2003-ish and started with RH 7.2 or something.

It has changed. I seriously recommend you give fedora a shot.
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