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Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

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Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

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I used to live in SF. It was exciting, but also shitty. I felt connected and alive, which was great, but also drained of resources, which really sucked. Oh, and there were 6 of us, in a 3 bedroom apartment. I had the living room. Yea. I lasted 3 years, until I met my wife, and by then I was ready to move. We did. Now, life in the suburbs, is slow. I feel somewhat disconnected and like I don't really belong to this co…

If you're working remotely, there are plenty of cities much cheaper than SF.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

#92

I moved from a medium sized city that had ~5 dev shops to work at. They all sucked. I had friends from college at each one, and we all basically spent our days plugging fixes into 8 year old java or .net apps and trying to keep our brains entertained. I did the usual and moved to "an expensive city" of portland. There's hundreds of places hiring, from "work on our inventory system in java" to healthcare to high tech…

I moved away from a mid-sized city where the tech employers consisted of:

* Giant defense contractor. The kind of place you'd have to fill out paperwork to enter some of the rooms at.

* The University

* Local government

* A couple of hardware companies and like 2 software startups.

Needless to say, I am much happier with my job prospects in the Bay Area (not to mention my paycheck).

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

#93

> it was always a country to keep offshore companies/accounts, so every rich developer in ex-USSR already been there and knew the place, but since 2014 it started to make sense to move physically as well I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that since 3 years ago Cyprus (among others) 'sells' EU permanent residency permits to rich foreigners. You can imagin that an EU permanent residency permit, allowing you…

Everyone sells residency and citizenship. The list of desirable countries that don't is probably shorter than the list that do.

Latvia, for instance, is much cheaper and gets you into Schengen with an investor visa followed up by investor citizenship.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, but really just about anyone with a Bloomberg terminal has 99% of the same info.

As we learned from the aftermath of the last major meltdown, banks do a lot of deals that require more than just a Bloomberg terminal. If anything, deals like ( http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/goldman-bet-... ) require more physical presence, as nobody wants to leave a paper trail.

Can you elaborate on this? If you bought something from me then I think you paid too much and you think that you paid too little. That's, like, how buying things works. I wouldn't sell it to you if I thought you were paying too little and you wouldn't buy it from me if you thought you were paying too much.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

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Developers are especially susceptible to groupthink, and living in places like San Francisco is trendy.

Job security (and availability), not groupthink. Groupthink is the side effect.

Surprised this is so far down. I'm here in the Bay Area because that's where the jobs are. I also don't particularly enjoy remote work, but I do like to take advantage of the occasional WFH day.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

#96

> it was always a country to keep offshore companies/accounts, so every rich developer in ex-USSR already been there and knew the place, but since 2014 it started to make sense to move physically as well I'm sure that has nothing to do with the fact that since 3 years ago Cyprus (among others) 'sells' EU permanent residency permits to rich foreigners. You can imagin that an EU permanent residency permit, allowing you…

It is relatively easy to get a software engineer job in Germany and couple of years later get a residency, so no, residencies are not the only reason people moved to Cyprus.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

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It seems to me that in economic theory, capital should move around and people should stay at places. It would be rational and also it makes sense from human perspective (you're close to your family, you don't have to deal with the logistics of moving etc.).

However, in economic reality, quite the opposite is often true. Capital doesn't flow into underdeveloped regions even if they contain great talent. And people try to migrate, in fact so much that some think it's actually a threat.

Ha-Joon Chang's "23 Things about Capitalism" has a great chapter on capital not being that international (that is, interchangeable) as people typically think.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

#99
Is not the developers, is the business that attracts developers there.

You cannot run a business from everywhere and have all the connections totally non personal. Is not working. So you must have the business in that locations, or you don't succeed. Then the developers come. And later they want to have their own businesses too. And need the connection, have a dinner with an investor, etc.

It feels like a fission reaction out of control, start-up acceleration programs made it into a real explosion.

Re: Why do developers who could work anywhere flock to the most expensive cities?

#100
As a company owner where most work is done remotely, I believe it is just education, people have been brainwashed all his life, and it takes time and work to make people operative remotely.

Working remotely means you can life whenever you want,not just in cheap places, (in practice anywhere in the US, as living in other countries have political problems like taxes and bureaucracy) L.A or New York, but people are not conscious they can, and that is the biggest problem, the biggest limitation is the one implanted in their mind.

I love traveling and after some time I need to go met a new city.

In remote working, we have to teach the people the most basic things like they are children or even worse because children would learn it right away but people have to unlearn what they already know.

They know you go to a locked place called school when you get with other people and do what other tell them to do. Over time you don't need physical locks, the locks are already in people's heads.

This behavior has been trained for years. Anything alternative competes with this psychological training.

This model place called school was designed after 1850 in order to train people for the industrial revolution, and it worked wonders for it.

We can't really understand the consequences of improved communications like talking from the US to Japan ultra cheap, simply and fast.

This happened over my lifetime, so social structures have not adapted to the new reality.

It is such a big problem that I am seriously considering creating a company just to train other companies to work remotely.

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