There is H-1B, but there is also H-4 (dependents), as well as L-1/L-2. My prediction is that if H-1B visas will be squeezed, we'll see a pick-up in L-1. https://apps.axibase.com/chartlab/8c9bb9cc/8/#fullscreen
What has H-4 got to do with anything? You can't work on that.
DOJ Cautions Employers Seeking H-1B Visas Not to Discriminate Against US Workers
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#52I'm concerned about the effect this will have on F-1 Visa holders, if they can't convert to H1-b, they'll take their graduate degree back to their home country which is a net negative for us. This seems to be throwing out the baby with the bath water, if you want to fix the body shop consulting firm issue, then target that. "Entry level programmer" is very broad, it could mean a guy with no experience who just gradua…
Almost everyone I know who has a graduate degree in CS came here on a visa. The reason is because employers don't reward graduate degrees in CS with compensation commiserate with their costs.
So US nationals make the rational decision to not pursue a graduate degree. But if you're a foreign national, getting a graduate degree from a US school increases the likelihood of getting a Visa. So they make a different rational calculation.
If employers want their programmers to have graduate degrees they can make the bump in pay worthwhile, and American students will start pursuing graduate degrees.
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#53I'm concerned about the effect this will have on F-1 Visa holders, if they can't convert to H1-b, they'll take their graduate degree back to their home country which is a net negative for us. This seems to be throwing out the baby with the bath water, if you want to fix the body shop consulting firm issue, then target that. "Entry level programmer" is very broad, it could mean a guy with no experience who just gradua…
This is still predicated on the assumption that there's a STEM shortage right? Almost everyone I know who has a graduate degree in CS came here on a visa. The reason is because employers don't reward graduate degrees in CS with compensation commiserate with their costs. So US nationals make the rational decision to not pursue a graduate degree. But if you're a foreign national, getting a graduate degree from a US sch…
Not at all. It is predicated on the assumption that a programmer is not the same as a compiler writer, and the former cannot exist without the latter, while the latter can exist without the former.
Almost none of the theoretical advances we are having in machine learning, deep learning and what-not could happen without some people who are crazy enough to venture into graduate degrees.
Not everyone who holds a graduate degree can write a compiler, true. But by the same token, not everyone who calls themselves a programmer can code either.
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#54The consulting firms have been abusing the H-1B system for years. I've been documenting it for couple years here: http://www.jobsintech.io/immigration_companies#name=&city=&s... You can clearly see that the top companies using H-1B visas are consulting firms.
Someone posted this link. https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker... There are whole IT divisions where there is not a single US citizen or GC holder. Tell me how can one distinguish between projects where the whole project members are H1B holders. Do you expect anyone to complain? The whole thing feels like a april fools joke to me....
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#55For a few years, I worked at a US government joint that abused the visa system to reduce its labor costs. The junior positions were staffed 100% by foreign workers who were being paid 25% to 50% of market rates. The problem is that the US immigration system is rife with selective enforcement. Many rules are open to interpretation, and officers have full discretion as to how they interpret them. In this, the US is uni…
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#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Someone posted this link. https://www.uscis.gov/working-united-states/temporary-worker... There are whole IT divisions where there is not a single US citizen or GC holder. Tell me how can one distinguish between projects where the whole project members are H1B holders. Do you expect anyone to complain? The whole thing feels like a april fools joke to me....
Our entire company including founders are people on H1B. If USCIS harasses us we will move to Canada or some place else.
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#57Also, USCIS has announced plans to combat H-1B fraud [1]. They seem to provide two provisions with this: 1) An avenue [2] for members of the workforce to report H-1B abuse. People on H-1B are offered some protection against retaliation. 2) Targeted onsite visits at worksites of employers who have larger fraction of their employees on H-1Bs, and those who sent employees to other locations. Together, this seems to be a…
You know what's the fastest way to curb H-1B fraud? Make it so that if an H-1B visa holder complains, and their complaint is found to be valid, they are entitled to apply for a green card immediately, and get EAD for the duration of their application.
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#58I'm concerned about the effect this will have on F-1 Visa holders, if they can't convert to H1-b, they'll take their graduate degree back to their home country which is a net negative for us. This seems to be throwing out the baby with the bath water, if you want to fix the body shop consulting firm issue, then target that. "Entry level programmer" is very broad, it could mean a guy with no experience who just gradua…
This is still predicated on the assumption that there's a STEM shortage right? Almost everyone I know who has a graduate degree in CS came here on a visa. The reason is because employers don't reward graduate degrees in CS with compensation commiserate with their costs. So US nationals make the rational decision to not pursue a graduate degree. But if you're a foreign national, getting a graduate degree from a US sch…
If the issue is salary, we'll call me an old fashioned hacker but I prefer people interested in the pursuit of knowledge at high levels driven by passion for inquiry not monetary reward.
I'd rather not have people enter graduate programs as carpet baggers interested mainly in the salary benefits of the title as opposed to the benefits of learning and researching. That's turning our institutions of higher learning effectively into body shops of another kind.
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#59For a few years, I worked at a US government joint that abused the visa system to reduce its labor costs. The junior positions were staffed 100% by foreign workers who were being paid 25% to 50% of market rates. The problem is that the US immigration system is rife with selective enforcement. Many rules are open to interpretation, and officers have full discretion as to how they interpret them. In this, the US is uni…
Easiest solution is stack rank all H1b applicants by salary and fill the quota with based on ranking. Top talent in theory should be making the most money so we wouldn't risk losing them.
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#60This also came out and is more narrowly focused on areas relevant to frequent discussion on HN: https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/files/nativedocume... SUBJECT: Rescission of the December 22, 2000 “Guidance memo on H1B computer related positions” (edit to add:) Some key passages from the USCIS memorandum: "... an entry-level computer programmer position would not generally qualify as a position in a specialty…
"... an entry-level computer programmer position would not generally qualify as a position in a specialty occupation ... So that's why every job is "Senior Developer" now.