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Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by thinkling »

sanswork wrote: post #32
tomcooks wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what use? How does the implanting procedure work? What about maintenance and replacement

My friend owned a piercing shop and put one in himself which he used with his front door lock (plus a pass code).I was interested in RFID so I asked him to give me one. No maintenance. I don't even use it anymore so not sure it still works tbh. Another friend of mine had hers removed it wasn't a big deal her GP did it. Implant procedure at the time was a large needle through a pinched flap of skin then another tool w…

In pets, the chips are just injected straight out of a large diameter needle into an area with loose skin (e.g. neck scruff). Millions and millions of pets have them.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by sanswork »

marcosdumay wrote: post #50
sanswork wrote: post #21

I got one of these implanted in my wrist around ten years ago. AMA?

Does it have a cryptographic handshake or it outputs its secret for anybody with a scanner?

It broadcasts its ID to anyone with a scanner. I wouldn't call it a secret though.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by sanswork »

thinkling wrote: post #51
sanswork wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My friend owned a piercing shop and put one in himself which he used with his front door lock (plus a pass code).I was interested in RFID so I asked him to give me one. No maintenance. I don't even use it anymore so not sure it still works tbh. Another friend of mine had hers removed it wasn't a big deal her GP did it. Implant procedure at the time was a large needle through a pinched flap of skin then another tool w…

In pets, the chips are just injected straight out of a large diameter needle into an area with loose skin (e.g. neck scruff). Millions and millions of pets have them.

It's probably the process for humans now too. Mine was quite a while ago.

I know friends who have had implant birth control just had the needle.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by derivagral »

conjectures wrote: post #18

Is this worth it? - Health complications, however rare [1], could arise from this. - It sounds like microchips bond with your tissue. The implictations for removal should be obvious. - They'll almost certainly need replacing, either due to failure or the technology becoming redundant. - Far from being cool, early adopters are normalising the idea that employers can tag employees. I'm not OK with this. That's even dis…

>> - People you don't know will be able to scan you for a unique ID, without your consent.

I agree with your overall tone, but can't this be done already with facial recognition?

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by meesterdude »

killjoywashere wrote: post #30
conjectures wrote: post #18

Is this worth it? - Health complications, however rare [1], could arise from this. - It sounds like microchips bond with your tissue. The implictations for removal should be obvious. - They'll almost certainly need replacing, either due to failure or the technology becoming redundant. - Far from being cool, early adopters are normalising the idea that employers can tag employees. I'm not OK with this. That's even dis…

> microchips bond with your tissue Eh, not really. They stimulate a foreign body reaction from macrophages, creating a synovium-like cyst around the object. > The implications for removal should be obvious You'll end up a granuloma (collection of macrophages), which may calcify or slowly resolve down to collagenous scar tissue. So, I wouldn't lead with the biology, at least not when pitching your concerns to scientis…

I just read a NYT article that some breast implants were linked to causing cancer. So, while I appreciate your analysis of what the expected biological response is, there is still room for things to go wrong too, in ways we never foresaw - or simply neglected.

But yes, the privacy and precedent implications of this will far outweigh the medical ones.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by Fuzzwah »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #47
krapp wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I am not religious, but (bullshit nonsense from Revelations about the Mark of the Beast) You appear not to understand how "not being religious" works.

I don't see why quoting the bible is any worse than people constantly quoting other dead people. Just think about how often Franklin's "Liberty vs Safety" is quoted here and around the rest of the internet. Or how often people like to compare the world to 1984 or Brave New World.

The most obvious difference:

When quoting the bible you're not quoting from the direct source, but a translated and interpreted version.

When quoting Franklin it is actually his words.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by nickthemagicman »

diyseguy wrote: post #3

I am not religious, but I got enough religious programming in Sunday school that this scares the shiznitz out of me. When this embedded human chip becomes a requirement, I'm moving to an underground bunker Revelations 13:16: And the second beast required all people small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17: so that no one could buy or sell unless he…

What if we just tattooed barcodes on people? That would be far less invasive, and have equal potential.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by frik »

sanswork wrote: post #21

I got one of these implanted in my wrist around ten years ago. AMA?

RFID chips get obsolete. Eg original Mifire chip is considered insecure and should be replaced.

Do you know which chip you have in?

I saw the related Mythbusters episode and they mention it not easy to remove the chip after some years.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by RealityVoid »

Fuzzwah wrote: post #56
toomanybeersies wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why quoting the bible is any worse than people constantly quoting other dead people. Just think about how often Franklin's "Liberty vs Safety" is quoted here and around the rest of the internet. Or how often people like to compare the world to 1984 or Brave New World.

The most obvious difference: When quoting the bible you're not quoting from the direct source, but a translated and interpreted version. When quoting Franklin it is actually his words.

Does it really matter? For example, the books he laid out as exaple were probably edited multiple times before release. And most books written by foreign authors are translated and adapted to the language you are reading them in.

Most translations of the bible try to keep as close to the source as possible and manage to do so. And if you imply som morphing of the bible that happened during its existance, there is historical evidence that seems to prove that it remained quite constant.

I see diyseguy post quite interesting, in that he is aware of the priming that still is in his mind and the way that it influences his thinking. I see him not more excessive importance to the bible than many of the people that quote from works of fiction on HN.

Re: Companies start implanting microchips into workers' bodies

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Post by sanswork »

frik wrote: post #58
sanswork wrote: post #21

I got one of these implanted in my wrist around ten years ago. AMA?

RFID chips get obsolete. Eg original Mifire chip is considered insecure and should be replaced. Do you know which chip you have in? I saw the related Mythbusters episode and they mention it not easy to remove the chip after some years.

Mine was never secure it just broadcasts an ID there is no key signing or anything.

My friend had hers removed after closer to five years. GP used a scalpel to make a small cut and pulled it out. The process seems to be the same for women who get Implanon.

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