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Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#111

It's us , the USA, that is causing this paper to shutdown. The cartels are financed by the insatiable drug appetite of its close neighbor. Our inability and/or unwillingness to legalize recreational drugs is the feeding tube for these vicious groups.

It's surprisingly simple to locate the plantations using LIDAR + spectrometry. Even easier in Afghanistan, where fields are cultivated in the open. It's so well documented that the UNDOC provides an anual report with the amount in acres. I could go on, but this is enough to make one wonder why they aren't being stopped.

>>Insatiable drug appetite is a constant

Says who?

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are good arguments for border patrol but this is not one of them. These guns are legal in the US and all you have to do to get them into Mexico is load them on a catapult and drive out to the middle of nowhere, or load them in one of the hundreds of small boats that make the trip. It's trivial to find guns illegally coming into mexico from a boat that can cross oceans and nearly impossible for a boat you can ma…

Leaving immigration to the states would require internal border controls. This is not something most people want.

You could make a single-state work permit without internal borders. If workers from California want to spend their vacation money in Nevada, let them. You can still reject them if they apply for work in another state.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a few times, when I was in high school, a bully yelled at me right in my face and said "you fuckin faggot I'll kill you". I'm not gay, and he wasn't really threatening to kill me.

I’d check the linked articles if I were you. Some of the women were subjected to very coordinated and determined harassment campaigns over a long period. In many cases these campaigns appeared to be coordinated by members of far right groups who are known to use violence. Comparing that situation to your being bullied at school is almost as silly and offensive as the OP’s original comparison. By all means point out t…

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#115

I truly love the country of México - I have spent a large periods of time there for the climate, as a place to work and have a wonderful life, away from the chills of winter. I often thought about making a permanent relocation, but this terror is too real and I found myself living in constant anxiety of my friends and colleagues being in danger, and the fear of speaking your mind weighs on you after a while. I am sad…

Step one to making things better: legalize the drugs in the USA from which Mexican drug cartels are getting rich.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are good arguments for border patrol but this is not one of them. These guns are legal in the US and all you have to do to get them into Mexico is load them on a catapult and drive out to the middle of nowhere, or load them in one of the hundreds of small boats that make the trip. It's trivial to find guns illegally coming into mexico from a boat that can cross oceans and nearly impossible for a boat you can ma…

Leaving immigration to the states would require internal border controls. This is not something most people want.

I don't think so. What I'm thinking is that "state green cards" would let you live in one state, and your residence will be checked up on periodically. If you don't live there, or if you're found in another state without a visa, you become an illegal immigrant, and fall under the purview of the federal immigration services.

This has very little negative changes- since many/most illegal immigrants are here on overstayed visas (anecdotally, every one of the illegal immigrants I know), and because travelling from a state into inner states is so easy, it doesn't make enforcement particularly harder. Since immigrants have a readily available alternative in the states that want them, stricter enforcement of illegal immigration is much more justifiable.

All this system requires is that the federal government maintains and checks on a list of expanded green card holders (ie non-citizens) that are restricted to certain states. This system is already in place for normal green card holders. If you aren't where you're supposed to be, the feds start looking with you, with the added advantage of having a last known location, picture, description, identifiers, and information about your family and friends. It would be much easier to track people who entered legally, and justifies much stronger controls over illegal entry.

Hypothetical situation: California says "okay we'll take 30,000 Syrian refugees annually". The Feds screen, admit, and register 30,000 Syrians and tell them "Okay, you are not citizens- you can't leave California without a visa, you can't vote, and you might never become citizens. You may live and work in California as long as you pay state and federal taxes, and you can use public education and medicaid (after ten years). You will be tried for a felony if you leave California. We will check with your landlord, check on where you pay taxes, and stop by every 3-6 months to verify where you are". In return the refugees provide everything a normal green card holder does- name, identification, family, location, occupation etc.

Edit: the best argument I've heard against this is the deontological one. Essentially that the feds should be the only ones who control who enters the union, and that since they are the feds they can't contain people in one state. This argument completely disregards the possibility of the feds making deals with states.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#117

It's us , the USA, that is causing this paper to shutdown. The cartels are financed by the insatiable drug appetite of its close neighbor. Our inability and/or unwillingness to legalize recreational drugs is the feeding tube for these vicious groups.

It's surprisingly simple to locate the plantations using LIDAR + spectrometry. Even easier in Afghanistan, where fields are cultivated in the open. It's so well documented that the UNDOC provides an anual report with the amount in acres. I could go on, but this is enough to make one wonder why they aren't being stopped.

> I could go on, but this is enough to make one wonder why they aren't being stopped.

Except for that pesky sovereignty thing.

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#118
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a few times, when I was in high school, a bully yelled at me right in my face and said "you fuckin faggot I'll kill you". I'm not gay, and he wasn't really threatening to kill me.

I’d check the linked articles if I were you. Some of the women were subjected to very coordinated and determined harassment campaigns over a long period. In many cases these campaigns appeared to be coordinated by members of far right groups who are known to use violence. Comparing that situation to your being bullied at school is almost as silly and offensive as the OP’s original comparison. By all means point out t…

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Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Leaving immigration to the states would require internal border controls. This is not something most people want.

You could make a single-state work permit without internal borders. If workers from California want to spend their vacation money in Nevada, let them. You can still reject them if they apply for work in another state.

It's not just about work.

To make that effective you would have to eliminate federal birthright citizenship, or anyone could easily make their children US citizens (and then too many would).

The "state immigrants" would also have to be disqualified from all federal programs or unwilling states would still be paying for them.

And if that isn't enough to make it intractable, what do you expect to happen when an immigrant crosses into another state to commit a serious crime?

Re: Mexican Newspaper Shuts Down, Saying It Is Too Dangerous to Continue

#120
post #95

Trumps goons are hunting immigrants as we write here. Trump supporters regularly beat up people of color. Police regularly shoots black people. And Trumps entire team believes climate change is fake news - this alone will lead the US and the world with it into a desaster.

Trump's "goons" (you mean ICE officers, right?) aren't "hunting immigrants." They're trying to enforce the laws about legal and illegal immigration. If you don't like the laws, work to change them. Don't demonize those who are enforcing them.

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