Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools • Hacker News Board

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by sanswork » Mon, Apr 03, 2017, 10:00 AM UTC

Natsu wrote: post #278

sanswork wrote: post #274

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What from the description do you think described that document?

> "it’s a variety of documents from different types of institutions that are associated with the election campaign, some quite unexpected angles, some quite interesting, some even entertaining" The fact that it was 'associated with the election campaign' and 'entertaining' made me feel it was there. I don't remember seeing other docs that satisfied both criteria, but it is only a guess and I could be wrong.

Thanks for that I actually missed his description of them and only saw where he said they were less interesting than what Trump was saying himself.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by freeflight » Tue, Apr 04, 2017, 5:40 PM UTC

azernik wrote: post #160

freeflight wrote: post #78

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>like secret police stuff, control over national media, poisoning of political enemies, assassinations How about "secret police stuff" like the illegal abductions of people to put them into torture "black sites" all over the world? [0] Massive control over global media trough lobbying and propaganda instruments? [1] A long history of successful, and not so successful assassination attempts aimed at the "ideological o…

Compared to: 0. People straight up disappeared in Syria, people arrested and locked up for political reasons in Russia - DOMESTIC stuff. 1. (Leaving aside that sock-puppet commenters are not the same as "massive control over global media".) The use on a massive scale of paid trolls by Russia, and the outright censorship of mass media outlets in countries from Russia and China to US allies like Turkey and Saudi Arabia…

How about you set the bar even lower and start comparing with North Korea?

The US influence on global media extends far further than a mere sock-puppet program which btw predates the notorious Russian "troll factories" by a couple of years. Only very few people know what classified operations are running in addition to that sock-puppet operation, but you can be certain there are more operations like that. Like influencing foreign media trough NGO's [0] in addition to that US media are the dominant news outlets on a global scale.

And again: If you want to complain about assassinations then the US is in no position to point fingers at anybody. Just because the US does conduct these kinds of operations on a global scale mostly targeting foreigners, while being rather successful in suppressing publicity about similar actions on a domestic scale, does not make these actions any "better" or "just". Even the US has no shortage of journalists dying in rather mysterious circumstances, Gary Webb comes to mind and if they don't die under weird circumstances they are straight up put on drone kill lists [1].

I realize this is a matter of "national pride" for many US Americans, to keep the facade of "We are the exceptional good guys, number one in everything!" intact, but as somebody who's seen "both sides" of this I consider that a rather absolute and dangerous view on reality.

Note: Not a fan of using huffingtonpost as a source, but it's the only English-language source I found about this due to it being a rather German-centric issue.

[0] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/till-bruckner/think-tanks-lobb...

[1] http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/i-am-on-the-us-kill-list...

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by mihular » Wed, Apr 05, 2017, 8:07 AM UTC

math0ne wrote: post #262

mihular wrote: post #115

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You are saying that Wikileaks has a ton of other documents but won't publish them? Based on what exactly?

I'm not saying that, I'm saying there is no evidence either way.

Let's says someone sent them important documents and they wouldn't publish them for no obvious reason. Don't you think the source wouldn't try other channels and/or go public with Wikileaks behavior?

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by sneak » Tue, Apr 11, 2017, 12:19 PM UTC

elemenopy wrote: post #279

sneak wrote: post #256

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Well, there is that whole thing about their founder being illegally indefinitely detained and denied due process. There are no MRI machines in that embassy.

> being illegally indefinitely detained and denied due process This is a mischaracterisation. If Assange wanted due process, he could leave the embassy and face the British (and then possibly Swedish) court systems. The only person choosing to arbitrarily detain Assange without due process is himself.

No. The entire Swedish thing is just trumped-up bullshit so that the US can extradite him on a currently sealed indictment, where he will then be tortured in prison as Manning was and is.

That's not due process.