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Re: Brands need to fire adtech

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I also submitted this great article. I have been thinking of adtech because I have several web sites, and run ads on none of them because I don't want irrelevant material on my sites. But, since I mostly have content about AI, semantic web, and food + nutrition + machine learning, I would be happy to place ads for specific products and services that I personally like. But I don't know of any ad placing service that,…

You've pretty pretty much articulated one of the reasons for existence of ad tech industry. Inventory on the web is highly fragmented and ad sales one small site at a time is not really scalable for anyone to make a living out of. Hence ad networks emerged to aggregate inventory.

Now you probably have a "real" day job and don't really need to make even the website pay out, let alone make a living out of it. Not so for many other people who do make a living out of content.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#12

I also submitted this great article. I have been thinking of adtech because I have several web sites, and run ads on none of them because I don't want irrelevant material on my sites. But, since I mostly have content about AI, semantic web, and food + nutrition + machine learning, I would be happy to place ads for specific products and services that I personally like. But I don't know of any ad placing service that,…

Have you look at cj.com?

One of the startup I used to work at is basically slickdeals where they just grab a bunch of coupons from cj and put it on their website.

I'd imagine you can filter the coupons you want from them after they throw a tons at ya and post them on your website.

Was just a programmer so I didn't deal with CJ directly to know how they work.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#13
Tech companies are taking a lot of heat here, but I think some of the blame here lies with Youtube's content creators.

If I buy ad time on late-night shows on NBC, I know I don't have to worry about Jimmy Fallon opening his show with a diatribe on "White Genocide" or "How feminists are the real Hitlers" or incoherently rambling about LBGTQ tumblr teens in a sweat-stained Starwars t-shirt.

Several Youtube content creators want to be able to freely oscillate between their core content topic (gaming, pop culture, etc) and random "edgy" topics. You're free to do that, and you shouldn't be censored, but you are not entitled to ad dollars.

They claim they're just trying to be "real" and "authentic" with their audiences, but how is it "authentic" to rant against Jews, Muslims, immigrants and neoliberal globalism while lining your pocket with ad revenue from Johnson & Johnson on a global technology platform built by immigrants/1st-gens, many of whom are jewish or muslim themselves? The cognitive dissonance is exhausting.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#14

Youtube is used horribly by advertisers. Don't make a video ad that plays before the content that people can't wait to click Skip. Just make a video that's entertaining/informative and post it to youtube. People will share it for free and watch it willingly.

I work at an advertiser. Most so called "viral" ads we've researched involve significant levels of paid impressions before they got to a "viralable" level. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.

Also it's significantly difficult to make a highly entertaining ad as well as convey your product benefits/superiority at the same time - strains creativity of the ad agencies though some are adapting faster to the online ad formats more than others.

At the end of the day all those "emotional equities" that highly engaging and emotional ads convey have mainly a role in creating a positive image around your brand - making people actually buy is very difficult without actually conveying your product's value and benefits.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

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Ad targeting can be done based on what you know about the content it is displayed against. But it seems like a lot of weight is put on what the network knows about the person accessing that content.

Enabling brands to automatically opt-out of being shown adjacent to content with extreme/hateful views is only part of the problem. Ad tech must also contend with the fact that the audience has many dimensions. Someone who harbors hateful feelings for a subgroup of humanity may also be interested in a sweet deal on a pay as you go plan from AT&T.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#16
My favorite version of nonsense in ads is the current mobile space.

Assuming mobile data is $10/GB, a 1MB video ad costs the end user 1 cent. Quality (though not premuim) mobile ad space has a CPM of about $5, or a cost per impression of half a cent. So whenever you see an ad in a mobile app and you aren't on WiFi, you are paying 1 cent to use the app _and_ watch an ad and the publisher is getting less than half a cent (ad rev share) from the advertisers. The end user and the publisher would be better off if they just paid the publisher half a cent directly.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#17
I feel like the author of this article is missing the reasons behind the rise of adtech in the first place, and doesn't really address how traditional advertising can compensate. There are at least three forces at work here:

1) People straight up don't want to see ads. Ad blockers, Netflix, etc. are a natural response to this. If your medium relies on traditional ads, there's an increasingly large chance that your audience won't ever see those ads in the first place.

2) Companies want to know that their advertising dollars are actually producing results, and traditional advertising completely sucks at this. If you've never run a traditional ad campaign, I suggest giving it a try and then decide how much value you think you got out of it. You can spend thousands to millions of dollars and have absolutely no idea if your money impacted sales even the smallest amount. Compare that to adtech, where you get real data on outcomes on a regular basis. Even if it's crap data, it's often better than "well we think the brand is stronger now".

3) Traditional mediums for advertising are dying out quickly, especially with younger demographics. Newspapers used to be the prime advertising medium, and now most of them are guilting, begging, or strong-arming people into viewing their ads online. Magazines readership has been declining year over year for at least a decade. Live broadcast TV viewing among younger viewers has been flat or declining as well. Where are you supposed to find captive audiences willing to sit through your golden-age traditional advertising spots?

I agree that the adtech industry is slimy and in desperate need of a shakeup, but idolizing traditional advertising while ignoring the difficulties of ads in today's world doesn't really help here.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

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Tech companies are taking a lot of heat here, but I think some of the blame here lies with Youtube's content creators. If I buy ad time on late-night shows on NBC, I know I don't have to worry about Jimmy Fallon opening his show with a diatribe on "White Genocide" or "How feminists are the real Hitlers" or incoherently rambling about LBGTQ tumblr teens in a sweat-stained Starwars t-shirt. Several Youtube content crea…

I see your argument but I think who's fault it is in the situation is more complicated than that. Yes if the content creators were just doing this for money, they should try and curate and audience that brands want to pay for.

On the flip side, these brands didn't have to jump into Internet advertising. They could have stayed focused on the nice reliable TV show advertising. They want to hit more eyeballs though and the unreliable Internet content is proving more popular with consumers who are the real product when it comes to advertising.

I figure there's going to be some back and forth between content creators and brands looking to advertise until a new equilibrium is reached and all shows fall in line to the new set of norms. After that, of course, a new format will likely arise and consumers will jump ship to the new format after finding the Internets norms too boring

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#19

Tech companies are taking a lot of heat here, but I think some of the blame here lies with Youtube's content creators. If I buy ad time on late-night shows on NBC, I know I don't have to worry about Jimmy Fallon opening his show with a diatribe on "White Genocide" or "How feminists are the real Hitlers" or incoherently rambling about LBGTQ tumblr teens in a sweat-stained Starwars t-shirt. Several Youtube content crea…

I think the author is trying to stay focused only on the issue of adtech vs (as he calls it) Madison Avenue ads. You also raise relevant points but they can be separate issues.

Anyhow to your point, I think the problem is that YouTube creators don't really think of themselves as being sponsored by brands. They've internalized only that they get paid to make content people watch. And that's not entirely accurate.

But for all the problems the author identified with adtech it has afforded people such as those on YouTube to enjoy what may be a fleeting era of getting paid to be genuine and uncensored. Perhaps membership fees to the platform that get allocated to creators can succeed here.

Re: Brands need to fire adtech

#20

I feel like the author of this article is missing the reasons behind the rise of adtech in the first place, and doesn't really address how traditional advertising can compensate. There are at least three forces at work here: 1) People straight up don't want to see ads. Ad blockers, Netflix, etc. are a natural response to this. If your medium relies on traditional ads, there's an increasingly large chance that your au…

> Where are you supposed to find captive audiences willing to sit through your golden-age traditional advertising spots?

Uh, nowhere? People already ban ads wherever they reasonably can, in part due to the fact that excesses like popup ads, layer ads etc. have been encouraged and adopted instead of dropped and people just are fed up with being treated like a walking dollar machine.

The only reasonable ad slots will be where people literally cannot block them - which means in the meatspace. Classic old advertising columns are on the way of being replaced by shiny flashy LED screens, same for public transport information systems (e.g. Munich, https://www.mvg.de/services/fahrgastservice/fahrgastfernsehe...).

It will get really interesting once outdoor advertising can track people... but thank God, even in surveillance-friendly UK this stuff doesn't hold for long (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-08-12/snooping-...).

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