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Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

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Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

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- FLAVOR: UBUNTU DESKTOP

- HEADLINE: PLEASE MAKE THE BATTERY BETTER

- DESCRIPTION: I HAVE BEEN USING UBUNTU FOR FIVE YEARS. BATTERY IS THE PROBLEM THAT MAKES ME SAD WHENEVER I BRING MY GORGEOUS UBUNTU LAPTOP OUT FOR A CAFE AND FORGOT THE CHARGER.

- ROLE: LONG TIME USER/ CURRENTLY THE AUTHOR OF A BIG LINUX SOFTWARE LIST.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

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post #348

- FLAVOR: Ubuntu Desktop, Ubuntu Server - HEADLINE: Windows subsystem - DESCRIPTION: Windows 10 lets you install Ubuntu as a subsystem and use it without dual booting. In practice, we _need_ windows tools (like WebDeploy) or GUI tools (like Photoshop) at work but would much rather use Ubuntu in general. The compromise (ubuntu subsystem) works but the other way around would be much better. I'm fine with paying for Win…

This already exists: WINE

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#853

- FLAVOR: UBUNTU DESKTOP - HEADLINE: PLEASE MAKE THE BATTERY BETTER - DESCRIPTION: I HAVE BEEN USING UBUNTU FOR FIVE YEARS. BATTERY IS THE PROBLEM THAT MAKES ME SAD WHENEVER I BRING MY GORGEOUS UBUNTU LAPTOP OUT FOR A CAFE AND FORGOT THE CHARGER. - ROLE: LONG TIME USER/ CURRENTLY THE AUTHOR OF A BIG LINUX SOFTWARE LIST.

ALSO I AM EXPERIENCING SOME KIND OF CAPS LOCK ISSUE

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#854

- FLAVOR: Ubuntu Desktop - HEADLINE: Hide/Move/Replace the Unity Menubar - DESCRIPTION: Please have an auto-hide function at minimum? Better would be to move the time/settings to the "dock" when you set the "move the menus to the app windows" option, and then removing menubar entirely. - RATIONALE: It was awful the last time I used Ubuntu on a multi-monitor setup, wasting space on all displays. And having to click an…

This is a topic debated to death between Mac and Windows users. Here is the argument in favor of the Mac/Ubuntu solution. The time it takes to hit a target is inverse proportional to its size, according to fitts law. A menubar at at the top has infinite height, thus it is a really large area to hit. In practice that makes it much faster to hit a menu bar at the top than inside a window.

What you don't want is an autohiding menu bar. When it autohides you can't see the location of the target before you move your mouse. For people who use this setup are used to throwing the mouse pointer up quickly to the target. You can't do that if the menu is hidden. Then it is a two step process. First throwing the mouse up to the menu and then making a selection.

This is the reason why we keep all frequently accessed GUI elements on the corners of the screen. These are the quickest places to hit. E.g. the Windows start button is fast to hit for this reason. But to be fair you are using the application menu bar a lot more frequent than the start menu.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

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post #364

Im mostly talking out of my ass here, but here goes: Stop trend following with UI paradigms. Being smaller and accept that you're smaller; Stop worrying about converting people and new user adoption. Is it /really/ a priority for the target market of new and current users to have as low a learning curve as possible for UI layout and functionality patterns? It seems to me most Ububtu users are A) at /least/ slightly m…

For a small player like Ubuntu I think it makes sense to copy ideas from others as they don't have the resources to come up with advance and novel UI concepts themselves.

But I can agree with one thing. Don't jump around too much. Make gradual improvements. One of the things I like about the Mac is that the UI paradigm has stayed very consistent since Mac OS X was released. There are far too many changes in e.g. Windows, and it seems Linux is copying too much of this. E.g. removing the menu bar and making UIs look like mobile phone UIs is silly and wasteful. Many of the established UI paradigm on the desktop have been refined over decades and work very well.

- Keep regular menu bars - Keep regular menu bars, don't go crazy with animated tiles and that sort of stuff. - And please none of the crazy ribbon stuff.

Honestly I think Ubuntu would be pretty safe following Apple as they don't jump onto crazy ideas with every release like MS. They stick with what they have and refine it. That makes sense for Linux to do as well.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#856

- FLAVOR: Ubuntu Desktop - HEADLINE: Work out-of-the-box on Chromebooks - DESCRIPTION: Turns out you have two choices for a well-built ultralight notebook: a MacBook (£1250) or a Chromebook (£250). The Chromebook can run Ubuntu, and run it well. But right now it requires a specially optimised version of Ubuntu (GalliumOS) and faffing around with firmware versions. If Ubuntu was easy to install on Chromebooks as it is…

Which Chromebook do you mean?

Mine's an HP 11in G5, FWIW.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#857

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User: I want hi-res apps! Dev: Sure, here you go. User: But why is it so small on my new shiny tablet high density screen? Dev: (SHit it worked okay for me) Okay now it detects the density and scale.. User: But when I move the window to my old good lcd screen it becomes way too big! Dev: Okay let's see if I can dynamically adapt to a new monitor density, it's just one scale factor. User: But when I put it on my big t…

MacOS actually in my experience seems to handle this all perfectly. Normal-DPI screens you chose resolution and dragging windows between monitors works as you naturally expect (it pops between DPIs).

Concerning DPI and trackpad integration, Ubuntu should strive to be as Mac-like as possible, at least imo. Macs absolutely win in the trackpad arena; multitouch works like a dream, configurable gestures aplenty to achieve whatever you want (of course, it could always be more customizable).

DPI scaling between monitors work exactly as you'd expect. Windows stay the same size when moving between high-DPI and regular monitors.

These two problems are two of the biggest reasons I don't use Ubuntu (or any Linux) desktop (I use a macbook with a headless Ubuntu Server box and, when necessary, X11 forwarding over ssh).

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#858

Earlier quoted context omitted.

User: I want hi-res apps! Dev: Sure, here you go. User: But why is it so small on my new shiny tablet high density screen? Dev: (SHit it worked okay for me) Okay now it detects the density and scale.. User: But when I move the window to my old good lcd screen it becomes way too big! Dev: Okay let's see if I can dynamically adapt to a new monitor density, it's just one scale factor. User: But when I put it on my big t…

I've always thought that arcdegrees should be what we measure UI's in: how much of a user's field of view does this thing consume? After all, what makes text "small" is that how much of my FoV it consumes (or doesn't). Not inches, or points, or pixels. (Admittedly, "points" are still likely a good measurement for print . Perhaps one can work backwards and fudge point as a measure of angle if you consider 12 point fon…

> I've always thought that arcdegrees should be what we measure UI's in: how much of a user's field of view does this thing consume? After all, what makes text "small" is that how much of my FoV it consumes (or doesn't). Not inches, or points, or pixels.

That is a good starting point for calculating the default "optimal UI scaling", but there are going to be adjustments needed for the FoV of the whole screen area (not per pixel) too.

With large screens, for example 24-30" on your desk, just the per-pixel FoV measure will probably be good enough. You have plenty of "space" for windows and content, and want to get the optimal scaling.

But once you get to very small screens like phones, there is a tradeoff between keeping font and UI sizes comfortable, and being able to actually fit enough content on the screen without endless scrolling. I am willing to strain my eyes with smaller font sizes on my phone than on my laptop, just so that I can see more than 5 sentences of text at the same time.

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#859

OK here goes.. - FLAVOR: Ubuntu Desktop - HEADLINE: Drop Mir & collaborate with Wayland - DESCRIPTION: I know this is a touchy subject and I'm not looking to self-righteously re-re-re-ligitage everything but... between Intel walking away, licensing concerns, Ubuntu varients not jumping onboard, and various community concerns, would you re-consider abandoning mir and joining forces with Wayland? I understand you felt…

> - ROLE: Code Janitor

That sounds like a fun job. You just clean code all day?

Re: Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?

#860

OK here goes.. - FLAVOR: Ubuntu Desktop - HEADLINE: Drop Mir & collaborate with Wayland - DESCRIPTION: I know this is a touchy subject and I'm not looking to self-righteously re-re-re-ligitage everything but... between Intel walking away, licensing concerns, Ubuntu varients not jumping onboard, and various community concerns, would you re-consider abandoning mir and joining forces with Wayland? I understand you felt…

I'm sure Mir is a perfectly good replacement to crufty old x.org. But you know what? Upstart was a perfectly good replacement to crufty old sysvinit, and we all know how that one turned out. I predict this will turn out exactly the same; Ubuntu will go with Mir for a few years before eventually caving to community pressure and switching to Wayland, just like the ultimately gave up Upstart in favor of community-favored systemd.
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