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Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#101

Robinhood is just a marketing play. Anything about them selling flow or using margin offerings to become profitable is not realistic. Traditional brokerages have a customer acquisition cost of around $400 to get someone to deposit at least $100 in an account. They've got a million users and continue to grow quicker and quicker. For a small multiple of traditional CAC they are already close to their >$1B valuation jus…

What do they do to make money once they have their users on board?

They offer margin and after hours trading for a price.

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#102
Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous.

Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money.

Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation.

Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and hold is not a strategy and sooner or later will leave you very disappointed, especially if you are leveraged on top of that. Just ask the investors in the Japan asset price bubble when they’ll see the top again – looks like never in their life time...

To be able to invest successfully you need to spend the time and educate yourself like in any other profession or hobby and the first step is to go to eBay and search for historical stock market data, you can buy 20 years of data for less than $100 and you can test all your ideas for free and without losing a single penny...

Good luck!

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This has been done before, perhaps most successfully by Zecco, who eventually had to initiate a commission, and then were bought by Tradeking. Zecco started in 2006. http://www.internetnews.com/ec-news/article.php/3635496/Zecc... I vaguely recall an even earlier broker doing the same, I forget their name, but it had something to do with a cactus, or a cafe in the name.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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post #102

Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous. Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money. Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation. Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and…

Your 4th paragraph contains a rather bold claim. You give one counter example to buy and hold strategy being good. I imagine no one really thinks buy and hold means to never sell under any circumstance. It seems to me to be more of a philosophy that buying/selling on emotion can be dangerous.

The second to last paragraph seems to me to be quite dangerous. I'd wager it is quite likely a person would see a pattern that really isn't there.

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post #102

Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous. Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money. Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation. Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and…

I agree with the thrust of your argument, but I'm confused with regards to ebay. I took a casual look and, yes, found listings of "financial data" (among lots of buzzy keywords) for Do you have personal experience buying data from ebay? Why would you do that?

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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post #105
post #102

Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous. Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money. Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation. Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and…

I agree with the thrust of your argument, but I'm confused with regards to ebay. I took a casual look and, yes, found listings of "financial data" (among lots of buzzy keywords) for Do you have personal experience buying data from ebay? Why would you do that?

I got it from this seller and at the time it was $99.

http://www.ebay.com/usr/artinvest389

I did test random samples from the data against other data providers and I am using it every day an yet to find errors or mistakes...

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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post #102

Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous. Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money. Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation. Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and…

I use Robinhood with a small amount of money that I am 100% ok losing. I hold a small number of tech stocks to keep me invested in their movements. Some of them have turned out better (nvidia) than others (twitter). But it does help me follow the news from those companies a little better.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can't get filled at a worse price than the lit exchanges are showing. I have no affiliation with Robinhood and think that they're bad for the markets, but what you listed is FUD.

> You can't get filled at a worse price than the lit exchanges are showing. Can you be more specific? I believe you are talking about a market order. Unless you have full access to all order books you can't really know whether you were filled at the best price of all lit exchanges. AFAIK brokers have a duty for best execution - still I'm pretty sure that you get poorer execution on Robinhood than on other brokers: Th…

> Can you be more specific? I believe you are talking about a market order.

No, I am not talking about both limit orders and market orders. I am talking about nearly all orders that a retail trader would use. As an institutional trader, you would sometimes use orders that will be filled at worse prices than the lit market. Retail traders do not typically have a need for those orders.

> Unless you have full access to all order books you can't really know whether you were filled at the best price of all lit exchanges.

This is true, but the person filling your order does have a responsibility to ensure that your order is filled at the lit exchange price or better. If you find contrary evidence,the regulators would possibly be willing to pay you a lot of money for it.

> Though the "loss" might be insignificant for the average retail investor trading very liquid instruments.

Compared to trading on a lit exchange, you should not be experiencing a loss and you are possibly experiencing a small gain.

You might be experiencing a small loss compared to trading through a broker that sends your orders to HFT firms, but does not accept payment for order flow. I would be interested in seeing data on that, but I would very surprised if that were true.

According to your Schwab link, if there is no fill improvement on Robinhood then you are better off using Robinhood for orders under 500 shares because commissions are $4.95 and the fill improvement is less than that. Is that your interpretation as well? Do you have a link showing that Robinhood customers do not get any fill improvement?

I don't think the KCG link is relevant as they do not have retail customers. This means that KCG's customers are going to be more informed than Schwab's customers so you can't afford to give them as much fill improvement.

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post #102

Here are my 2cents: Robinhood is irrelevant and border line dangerous. Irrelevant, because for someone who knows what they are doing in the stock market paying $10 or $0 per trade is not going to save them any money. Dangerous, because it promotes more trades for the “unsophisticated” investor and encourages leverage = very dangerous situation. Bottom line, if you do not know what you are doing, don’t do it, buy and…

Your 4th paragraph contains a rather bold claim. You give one counter example to buy and hold strategy being good. I imagine no one really thinks buy and hold means to never sell under any circumstance. It seems to me to be more of a philosophy that buying/selling on emotion can be dangerous. The second to last paragraph seems to me to be quite dangerous. I'd wager it is quite likely a person would see a pattern that…

As in anything in life you need to have a strategy, even if you invest only in SPY ETF you still have to have a plan when to buy and when to sell. One interesting idea to start is to look into different trend following strategies. Get the data and back test different scenarios and see what is going to work for you according to your risk management, what draw downs you can tolerate, etc...

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#110

I think what Robinhood is doing with Gold accounts is pretty shady. I'm guessing that the vast majority of people who trade on margin don't fully comprehend the risks in doing so.

It's not rocket science, and it is obviously a loan. How is margin shady? This claim that it is somehow predatory or that consumers need to be protected is nonsense. This assumes that people can't do research and due diligence. If you aren't informed to make financial decisions than you probably shouldn't be trading. If you choose to proceed, do so at your own risk. All brokerages offer margin and typically this is h…

> If you aren't informed to make financial decisions than you probably shouldn't be trading

From what I've read in this thread that seems to be Robinhood's target market.

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