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Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my doubts that playing with the stock market is in any way conducive to "financial health" for the average consumer.

Traditionally (or when I started looking), a single stock trade was $6 so you'd have to be moving 4 digits at a time to avoid losing everything to fees. But Robinhood's free. You can do $6 of trades in a year, still learn about stocks and not necessarily lose anything. Very hard to complain about that. I think a little literacy is needed, since if you're lucky enough to have savings buying CMF+VXF is a much better de…

> But Robinhood's free.

Most of the traditional brokers also offer commission free ETFs like VTI and VOO. I would argue it is much better for new investors to be buying VTI over thinking about getting rich buying penny stocks.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#82
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Does Robinhood sell retail order flow on? I've read conflicting views both ways, but can't really see how they'd make any money if they didn't. I think the way it's being promoted is a bit dangerous though. It seems like they're promoting to the exact market that really, really shouldn't be flipping stocks (and promoting use of margin to do so). Interactive brokers is what, a few bucks a trade anyway? Something aimed…

> Interactive brokers is what, a few bucks a trade anyway? IB Commission is $0.005 per share, with a minimum of $1 total. The problem with IB for regular folks is a bunch of monthly fees if you don't have enough activity each month. https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=1590&p=sto...

There are German IB resellers (e.g. CapTrader) who have slightly higher per trade minimums (2$) and commission (~0.01$ per share), but absolutely no monthly minimum. As I'm not doing trading, but only holding onto some Vanguard ETFs, that's rather sweet (for me).

Except Austrian tax laws, which will make me close all that anyway...

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#83

Robinhood's Gold tier, which is a different name for buying on margin, has potentially dire implications for the health of the economy.... The great depression was largely the result of massive numbers of everyman speculators entering the markets with reckless amounts of leverage. Robinhood vastly lowers the barrier for gambling with money you don't own. There's a reason you can't buy lottery tickets with credit card…

Retail investors only account for a small percentage of the market.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#84

Aren't there opportunities for arbitrage given the zero transactional costs on Robinhood? I haven't thought it through that much, but it feels like a lot of sound trading strategies (which were previously impractical due to high transactional costs) can be made to work on Robinhood. *Maybe arbitrage is the wrong term, but zero cost of trading would mean more efficient trading strategies. No?

Since they route your orders for you I'm guessing you don't get very good prices - ie. you get a larger spread than other market participants.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#85

Robinhood is just a marketing play. Anything about them selling flow or using margin offerings to become profitable is not realistic. Traditional brokerages have a customer acquisition cost of around $400 to get someone to deposit at least $100 in an account. They've got a million users and continue to grow quicker and quicker. For a small multiple of traditional CAC they are already close to their >$1B valuation jus…

What do they do to make money once they have their users on board?

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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> 1) Build a well diversified portfolio (30+ companies) This is sensible but Robinhood doesn't have fractional shares (it would cost something if it did), so you're really raising the bar on minimum investments here. If you just bought one Vanguard ETF and did nothing else, that'd be a great plan.

Yeah, but that'd show Robinhood's user base there is no need for the product.

And TBH if you don't have the finances to be able to hit a $1k minimum buy investing in individual stocks is probably something you should leave for a few years.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#87
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Traditionally (or when I started looking), a single stock trade was $6 so you'd have to be moving 4 digits at a time to avoid losing everything to fees. But Robinhood's free. You can do $6 of trades in a year, still learn about stocks and not necessarily lose anything. Very hard to complain about that. I think a little literacy is needed, since if you're lucky enough to have savings buying CMF+VXF is a much better de…

Depends on what stage of the cycle you buy in at and what stage of the cycle you sell. Right now equities are priced very highly

Especially the USA its looking quite expensive atm an index fund targeting the USA might not be the best bet right now

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

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post #84

Aren't there opportunities for arbitrage given the zero transactional costs on Robinhood? I haven't thought it through that much, but it feels like a lot of sound trading strategies (which were previously impractical due to high transactional costs) can be made to work on Robinhood. *Maybe arbitrage is the wrong term, but zero cost of trading would mean more efficient trading strategies. No?

Since they route your orders for you I'm guessing you don't get very good prices - ie. you get a larger spread than other market participants.

You can't get filled at a worse price than the lit exchanges are showing.

I have no affiliation with Robinhood and think that they're bad for the markets, but what you listed is FUD.

Re: Robinhood stock trading app valued at $1.3B with big raise from DST

#89
post #68

Aren't there opportunities for arbitrage given the zero transactional costs on Robinhood? I haven't thought it through that much, but it feels like a lot of sound trading strategies (which were previously impractical due to high transactional costs) can be made to work on Robinhood. *Maybe arbitrage is the wrong term, but zero cost of trading would mean more efficient trading strategies. No?

That's my line of thinking as well. Not arbitrage, but perhaps trading at a frequency not profitable on other retail platforms (and obviously a couple orders of magnitude slower than HFT). Some things you could perhaps do on Robinhood that aren't feasible with other retail brokers include: a) Tiny, tiny position sizes, even on small accounts. 1% position sizing? What about 0.1%? b) Not incurring a transaction fee if…

> Order execution quality. RH sells order flow. How much this matters is probably beyond my knowledge. I'm inclined to think that it wouldn't matter too much, and is more likely to adversely affect competing HFT firms who are in competition against the order flow buyer(s) than it would people trading at even the upper bounds of retail frequencies.

This problem is that if all of the uninformed flow is internalized then I have to quote wider on the lit exchanges because all of my fills are going to come from informed traders. This is bad for the market as a whole.

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