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Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by SXX »

kushti wrote: post #133
SXX wrote: post #129

It's funny to see how many educated people on HN expect to see something like "Russia / FSB / etc" hacking tools or documents leaks or whatever. Probably it's due to looking at how three letter agencies operate in first world countries someone would expect that you actually need that many people to steal some emails or get hands over company database. It's obviously that no matter how big NSA conspiracy is every doll…

This is the perfect example of "whataboutism".

Go on and explain how do I support anyone in post above. All I meant is that special agencies in Russia tightly integrated with usual online criminals so you wouldn't find any tracks in sea of corruption.

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Post by contrast »

Natsu wrote: post #206
elemenopy wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree: I think there is a reasonable case to hold WikiLeaks and the NYT to different standards. I think WikiLeaks holds itself out as a much more anarchic news organisation than traditional outlets like the NYT. WikiLeaks isn't connected or have allegiance to any particular country, and will publish, let the facts speak for themselves and damn the establishment and any particular national interests that are harm…

The problem with holding Wikileaks as "selective" is that you would have to establish that there are true leaks which they have withheld from us. There's this popular misconception that Wikileaks actually hacks to obtain the data, but this is false and no one has ever so much as attempted to prove otherwise. So given that they can't select the sources, the claims of them being "selective" just sound ignorant to anyon…

First of all, if you know how Wikileaks operates, you know that as well as the leaks they generate content and opinions. They are not merely a funnel.

Second, if they were trying to be just a funnel but realised that they were only getting information from limited sources with a known agenda, then they would also know that they are facilitating a political agenda. They could be open about this. But they are not. They are keeping critical details of their own activities secret (ie they choose to be selective), which is directly contrary to their stated philosophy.

In a more empirical sense, an organisation can only be judged by its output, not by its slogans or cheerleaders. In that sense Wikileaks is clearly an organisation promoting a political agenda.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by res0nat0r »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Wikileaks is now 100% political and is Julian Assange's political mouthpiece. Weather you agree with his position or not it is abundantly clear it is in no way a neutral arbiter of information anymore. Just ask why DDB left years ago.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by res0nat0r »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Wikileaks is now 100% political and is Julian Assange's political mouthpiece. Weather you agree with his position or not it is abundantly clear it is in no way a neutral arbiter of information anymore. Just ask why DDB left years ago.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by res0nat0r »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Wikileaks is now 100% political and is Julian Assange's political mouthpiece. Weather you agree with his position or not it is abundantly clear it is in no way a neutral arbiter of information anymore. Just ask why DDB left years ago.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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mhermher wrote: post #99
gkoberger wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth may not be political, however the curation is. Take the US election, for example. Wikileaks has released information about Clinton and the DNC, and claims they have stuff they never released about Trump and the GOP [1, 2]. Other sources have said the GOP was hacked in the same attack that got Podesta [3]. The only person less likely to criticize Russia than Trump is Assange. Wikileaks lost any proximity to…

Do you hold WaPo, NYT, CNN to those same standards? Because that is mainly what American "MSM" does, selectively publish information which bebefits the agenda of American foreign policy interests. It's fair if you align yourself with American foreign policy interests, I do too, but to single out other publications that don't follow that agenda is just a case of having self interested double standards. All of the crit…

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Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by res0nat0r »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Wikileaks is now 100% political and is Julian Assange's political mouthpiece. Weather you agree with his position or not it is abundantly clear it is in no way a neutral arbiter of information anymore. Just ask why DDB left years ago.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by simion314 »

gkoberger wrote: post #85
elif wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

The truth may not be political, however the curation is. Take the US election, for example. Wikileaks has released information about Clinton and the DNC, and claims they have stuff they never released about Trump and the GOP [1, 2]. Other sources have said the GOP was hacked in the same attack that got Podesta [3]. The only person less likely to criticize Russia than Trump is Assange. Wikileaks lost any proximity to…

So the people that leaked X,sent it to Wikileaks and it was not published what stops them to leak same documents to a different organization? If Russian secrets are missing maybe the problem is the missing leakers or maybe the leaks are published in other places, like in the local press. Anyway Wikileaks is not a monopoly so if the missing leaks did not appeared yet then maybe those do not exist.
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