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Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by aljones »

elif wrote: post #65
eli wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks creates misleading summaries and narratives of the documents they release and then uses various techniques to encourage the media to follow that narrative. For example, they dump an unreadably large cache at the same time as a sexed-up summary and then tell news orgs that if they cover the story quickly and favorably, they'll be rewarded with early access to future leaks. The "CIA uses your smart TV to spy…

I'm not sure i follow your reasoning. I follow all of their leaks, but i'm not aware of these "summaries" you are referring to. It sounds like perhaps your interaction with wikileaks is mediated by the media, and your problem is with the media. For instance, this link we are commenting on is directly to a primary document, with no summary provided. The only "summaries" i am aware of, would be their tweets, which are…

If you read the articles published in the media they often contain phrases like "according to WikiLeaks" or "Wikileaks said". That is because Wikileaks gives summaries and comments. For a taste of how they mislead journalists, you can follow the wikileaks twitter account.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by self-diversity »

sleepybrett wrote: post #70
stevenwoo wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange had an AMA on reddit, and he said they received Trump intel pre election and judged it was not worthy of releasing compared to the Clinton data dump.

That's a lot of editorial bias for an organization that's goals, at least initially, revolved around transparency.

Whenever this comes up, I like to ask what people would expect could be revealed about Trump that would materially change anything. The Clinton campaign raked him over the coals to the point that deluded people now think wearing a vagina-shaped hat is some manner of effective protest. It seems pretty likely that any leaks about Trump would be boring in comparison to how he appears in the public eye in the first place.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by kushti »

SXX wrote: post #129

It's funny to see how many educated people on HN expect to see something like "Russia / FSB / etc" hacking tools or documents leaks or whatever. Probably it's due to looking at how three letter agencies operate in first world countries someone would expect that you actually need that many people to steal some emails or get hands over company database. It's obviously that no matter how big NSA conspiracy is every doll…

This is the perfect example of "whataboutism".

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by PKop »

ceejayoz wrote: post #33
elif wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

One does start to worry about a truth-teller who only ever presents one side of the story, though.

Perhaps they feel the need to balance out the other truth-tellers only telling the other side of the story

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by [deleted] »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

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Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by Karunamon »

bsamuels wrote: post #114

this comment is a great example of foreign astroturfing try posting from an account with a comment history next time

I completely agree with what they posted, and find your low effort well poisoning to be odious and offensive.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by 112-123 »

parineum wrote: post #124
112-123 wrote: post #90

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It's entirely irrelevant to this release. The attribution to Russia has nothing to do with the language of strings embedded in the malware. It's based on the re-use of the same exact techniques, including command-and-control server addresses and encryption keys that have been used in many, many other attacks that align extremely closely with Russian interests. Successfully hacking, over the course of about a decade,…

> It's based on the re-use of the same exact techniques, including command-and-control server addresses and encryption keys that have been used in many, many other attacks that align extremely closely with Russian interests. Is there an official source that actually breaks down the similarities to which attacks? I have my doubts about the attribution of the DNC hack to _state_ agents. The only specific I've read was…

This testimony given yesterday is an excellent overview, and has citations you can follow for more specifics: https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/docu...

You are correct that the publicly available evidence doesn't point directly to the GRU, but rather merely to an anonymous extremely well-resourced group whose interests align extremely well with Russian military interests. While the GRU is the most reasonable conclusion, this would leave open, for example, the possibility that some contractor to the Russian military is operating with independence, not actually under direct order from the Kremlin.

The intelligence community claims to have knowledge, through conventional intelligence rather than forensics, that this was done by the GRU themselves, under order from the highest levels of leadership. This presumably means they know who the hackers actually are, whom they report to, and the general structure of the agency. They claim they have multiple, strong, independent sources confirming this, but they can't reveal their intelligence publicly without compromising those sources.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by oculusthrift »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

im sure youre in favor of wikileaks publishing the US nuclear launch codes for isis or russia to use. information should be set free even if it sets off the Apocalypse?

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by PhasmaFelis »

elif wrote: post #55
ajross wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution... If your perspective is that the US is truly the most secretive and "egregious" actor on the modern stage, then you are shockingly naive. Or, more likely, misled by the skewed "truth" you are reading.

please provide something to educate me. Who has more spy bases around the world? Who has disseminated their spy tools so widely that they have become available to 3rd parties? Who else is tapping undersea fiber? Who else is behind the SSL layer at google? I like primary documents obviously, but publications are fine too.

I'm no more psychic than you are, but it sounds like you're assuming the US is worst because it's had the most leaks, and it's had the most leaks because it's worst. That seems like circular logic. I'd be very surprised if we're the only nation tapping undersea fiber, for example.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by devy »

tehlike wrote: post #24
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

honest question: does wikileaks not have necessary connections in China to collect the intel and stuff?

My guess is that those leakers would prefer leaking to CIA and get a good deal (monetary or protection) than leaking to WikiLeaks for free.
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