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Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by elif »

azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy.

If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

#32

Post by azinman2 »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Why shouldn't there be secrets?

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

#33

Post by ceejayoz »

elif wrote: post #31
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

One does start to worry about a truth-teller who only ever presents one side of the story, though.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

#34

Post by cavanasm »

tehlike wrote: post #24
azinman2 wrote: post #21

I've really turned on Wikileaks. Itd be one thing if all the major powers had equivalent leaks publishing, but focusing on the US basically serves Chinese and Russian interests far more than it does the citizens of the US. String obfuscation isn't stemming from some corrupt deal that needs sunlight... this is just doing a disservice to their original mission.

honest question: does wikileaks not have necessary connections in China to collect the intel and stuff?

Wikileaks doesn't collect intel whatsoever. They pretty much put up anything sent to them that they think is real (and that admittedly fits whatever editorial narrative is driving Assange at the moment). No one at Wikileaks is doing the hacks, or infiltrating government organizations.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by quakeguy »

__jal wrote: post #19
quakeguy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia remains a black spot, due to the language/kyrilic alphabet? And they do most secret stuff with typewriters and photocopies these days, so i've heard. Snowdens revelations had a big impact there.

1) I kinda doubt Russian hackers code on typewriters. 2) Cyrillic is an alphabet, not magic incomprehensibility dust. There are plenty of Russian speakers who are not beholden to their spooks. 3) Assange has an agenda in addition and orthogonal to fighting secrecy. I'm not saying he's insincere; I'm saying that some leaks are clearly more equal than others. It would not surprise me in the least if he were to sit on s…

This comment has some more info: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14007213

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by ceejayoz »

cavanasm wrote: post #34
tehlike wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

honest question: does wikileaks not have necessary connections in China to collect the intel and stuff?

Wikileaks doesn't collect intel whatsoever. They pretty much put up anything sent to them that they think is real (and that admittedly fits whatever editorial narrative is driving Assange at the moment). No one at Wikileaks is doing the hacks, or infiltrating government organizations.

> They pretty much put up anything sent to them that they think is real.

Maybe, maybe not. How would we know they do that?

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by jlgray »

rdtsc wrote: post #10
vxxzy wrote: post #6

What would be the advantage to making your exploits appear to come from other countries? What do we gain from this? It feels like an instigation.

There is a huge advantage to do that. False flag attacks are one of the tried and true methods of intelligence agencies since ancient times. For example the official pretext for WWII was started as a false flag: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident US did it at the start of Vietnam War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_of_Tonkin_incident We gain a lot from this. We can for example manufacture "Russian hy…

Someone benefits, but it is not "we"

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by elif »

azinman2 wrote: post #32
elif wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The truth isn't responsible for serving anyone's interests, and especially not the interests of the biggest secret keeper. The truth is not political, except that it is the natural enemy of politics which rely upon secrecy. If your perspective is that more secrets are being kept by more egregious actors than the US, the truth welcomes your contribution...

Why shouldn't there be secrets?

There should be secrets.

there should not be secret attacks on every computer on the planet.

Re: Wikileaks releases CIA's Marble: Malware obfuscation tools

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Post by sanswork »

superioritycplx wrote: post #28
JabavuAdams wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More like Assange knows that the FSB will just straight up poison him with Polonium instead of slapping him around a bit and shipping him to GITMO.

He could also be Seth Rich'd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Seth_Rich

That interview was the final straw in causing my total loss of respect for Wikileaks. Trying to profit politically off the death of an innocent man is vile. Forcing his parents and family to endure the weight of the conspiracy community in an attempt to attack your political opponents is an awful thing to do.
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