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Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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The link says this is related to the repeal of the FCC ruling, I fail to see that connection, however. What in the repealed rules prevented them from installing spyware on your phone? They already seemed to have the ability to do that.

They're just stating correlation, not causation.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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post #43

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They fought hard to create a platform where this type of thing doesn't/can't happen.

IMO, it is very ignorant to think they are not getting the data from apple. They just have the ability to openly do it on their own with android.

If you can demonstrate that, you could use that knowledge to make a ton of money in various ways.

If you can't, bluntly, you're blowing smoke.

Which is it?

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

#73

The link says this is related to the repeal of the FCC ruling, I fail to see that connection, however. What in the repealed rules prevented them from installing spyware on your phone? They already seemed to have the ability to do that.

They're just stating correlation, not causation.

Gotcha. I wish at some point we could get to the point where I actually can uninstall things on the things I buy :(

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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post #54

Between the Google play store, Android's general insecurity, and now cell carriers actively pushing spyware, what alternatives exist? And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if…

Purism are working on a phone that should meet most of these requirements. Honestly, with such strict expectations, no smartphone will ever satisfy your needs.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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This has nothing to do with Apple vs. Google. It has more to do with Android being Open Source. So they modify Android + put the Google stuff on it (which Verizon is paying a fee for).

But it does. Follow the money - the consequences flow directly from the differing business models. Verizon can't poison Apple's phones, because Apple profits by not selling out their customers. Google benefits from surveilling their customers, so their OS is surveillance-friendly. By piggybacking on Google's purpose-built surveillance-friendly OS, Verizon's commonality of interest with Google benefits them.

The app store is Apple's way of selling out access to their customers, it just happens to be to developers instead of advertisers.

I use Android and iOS so I don't have a horse in the race, but it's disengenous to claim that Apple's business model makes it any more your device than Apple's.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

#77

Verizon is the only cell company that has coverage in my home town in central Massachusetts. Thus I have used them all my life. I recently had my first "positive" customer service with experience with Verizon switching to their unlimited plan. My bill dropped significantly. ($120 base -> $80 but really $200 -> $80 because I always go over on data) I just noticed that I have a "phone upgrade" waiting as well. I am an…

> This sort of shit is why.

This sort of shit is why I only get phones I can root (except for my current iPhone, which was Buy One, Get One).

Root gives you access to tools that can disable/backup/uninstall stuff you otherwise couldn't - as well as access to more powerful adblockers and other goodies.

You have to be careful to try and get "trusted" apps (I don't download "cracked" ZOMG!FREE! games... anymore cough) but it's not like you control what's on your phone 100% anyways...

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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post #54

Between the Google play store, Android's general insecurity, and now cell carriers actively pushing spyware, what alternatives exist? And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if…

"And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if the order was delivered to the engineers directly."

So Android is "open source" even though most of what makes Android Android to most users -- Google Play Services and all of the Google apps and third party OEM apps are closed.

But iOS is closed source even though parts of it are also open source?

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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Surely they are going to be loading it using Carrier Configuration tied to the sim card... As soon as you put a verizon sim card into your unlocked non verizon phone it installed a bunch of helper apps. https://source.android.com/devices/tech/config/carrier.html

Anyone know of a way to disable that? Just "don't upgrade to Android 6.0", or burning a custom ROM with some parts hacked out?

Apps such as Titanium Backup * Root ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.keramidas.... ) ( Or similar )

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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post #75
post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But it does. Follow the money - the consequences flow directly from the differing business models. Verizon can't poison Apple's phones, because Apple profits by not selling out their customers. Google benefits from surveilling their customers, so their OS is surveillance-friendly. By piggybacking on Google's purpose-built surveillance-friendly OS, Verizon's commonality of interest with Google benefits them.

The app store is Apple's way of selling out access to their customers, it just happens to be to developers instead of advertisers. I use Android and iOS so I don't have a horse in the race, but it's disengenous to claim that Apple's business model makes it any more your device than Apple's.

App Store revenue is a drop in the bucket for Apple. The App Store's raison d'être is to drive more hardware sales.
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