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Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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for now, i am nice and cozy in my iOS walled garden. The advantages of doing business with hardware companies is that it's much more clear that i'm paying them scads of money for a handset, instead of any other financial transaction.

Your data and everything else still would go through Verizon... So they can get your stuff either way.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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The link says this is related to the repeal of the FCC ruling, I fail to see that connection, however. What in the repealed rules prevented them from installing spyware on your phone? They already seemed to have the ability to do that.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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If it is the former, don't forget that having a rooted phone likely puts you in the minority. Most people don't have the patience or confidence in their technical abilities to root their phones.

There is also the fact that the Verizon version of the Pixel is not rootable as they locked down the bootloader.

Same with the Galaxy S7.

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The reason why I'm okay with Google, but not Verizon spying on me is because I pay Verizon but I don't pay Google. Verizon shouldn't have to sell my data for more money because they already charge money for their service. If their service is too expensive then Verizon can charge more money. However Google gives me services for free so I expect they'll sell my data to other companies.

I actually feel like I'm getting something in return for letting Google index my personal data. I also trust Google far, far more than any ISP (wired or wireless) that I have used.

I also have faith that Google won't accidentally expose my data to the entire internet - or at least, they'll only fall to vulnerabilities that affect everyone.

Verizon's ethics aside, I have no real trust in their competence to keep data to themselves. I've dealt with their website, I've read the stories of people getting their accounts hijacked because Verizon can't handle verification right, and all the rest. I don't want a side channel to track my downloads, location, and god knows what else because I expect it'll be compromised far faster.

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Is this really that different from Verizon phones having Google services enabled by default (if that's even true -- I don't use Verizon). Why is Verizon spying on you any worse, or better than Google or Facebook? No one should spy on you. Period.

Corporate ethics aside, this scares me because I don't trust its security. Android has vulnerabilities, but they're regularly discovered and patched. A Verizon-made side channel gathering all the same stuff? That sounds like it'll bleed data to anyone and everyone and not get patched on anything like a responsible schedule.

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Between the Google play store, Android's general insecurity, and now cell carriers actively pushing spyware, what alternatives exist? And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if…

There is Ubuntu Phone. There were also several devices. Here is the source for one of them: https://github.com/bq/aquaris-E4.5

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Between the Google play store, Android's general insecurity, and now cell carriers actively pushing spyware, what alternatives exist? And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if…

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Yep. The reason why we are in this mess and attack on Internet privacy is because of Ad Tech. We need to get developers to stop supporting ad tech. The stigma of working in ad tech needs to result in enough stink on one's employment history that it's not worth the hassle.

Stigmatizing one's employment history only impacts people who are trying to switch from advertising to a different industry. This means it has the effect of locking employees into staying in advertising. I understand that the logic goes that people will avoid going into advertising in the first place if it limits their employment choices, but that assumes there isn't enough work to stay in advertising. If advertising…

Perhaps you're right - though Flash developers had to adjust.

Ad tech really needs to go.

Re: Verizon announces plans to install a download-tracking app on its Android phones

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Not trying to be an Apple fanboy here, but at least apple can generate revenue without resorting to something this low. Guess they gotta make sure Mr. McAdam can earn his $18,000,000 check.

This has nothing to do with Apple vs. Google. It has more to do with Android being Open Source. So they modify Android + put the Google stuff on it (which Verizon is paying a fee for).

But it does. Follow the money - the consequences flow directly from the differing business models.

Verizon can't poison Apple's phones, because Apple profits by not selling out their customers.

Google benefits from surveilling their customers, so their OS is surveillance-friendly. By piggybacking on Google's purpose-built surveillance-friendly OS, Verizon's commonality of interest with Google benefits them.

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post #54

Between the Google play store, Android's general insecurity, and now cell carriers actively pushing spyware, what alternatives exist? And please don't say iOS. It's closed source, which means we really don't know what's going on under the hood. We may trust it today, but one secret court order + an overnight update is all we need to lose everything with iOS. Apple execs may not even be made aware of such an update if…

Been watching CopperheadOS for a while, the best option as far as I know. I will be getting my next phone directly from them to support development.

https://copperhead.co/android/

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