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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by peraquins » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:45 PM UTC

torrent-of-ions wrote: post #121

I will definitely try this because I have trouble with all other voice chat services including Skype, WhatsApp and Hangouts. Often one of those three will work but not always. But the most annoying problem with any internet voice chat is not so much the quality but the latency. Landline phones have noticeably lower voice quality but one can still enjoy a conversation perfectly well. High latency, on the other hand, a…

If you're ok with the Chinese gov snooping, I find WeChat to be amazingly good at voice chat, even if your connection is bad.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by mercer » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

teekert wrote: post #98

t3ra wrote: post #18

But seriously how do they pay their bills? (I know VK brothers are super rich) There are bots that relay huge media files It's probably (imo) the fastest & most complete cloud based chat app Everything.. Literally everything you share can be retrived over the cloud & and now calling That must be super expensive infrastructure? No investors no monetization

I read at some point that they were betting on "Messaging as a platform", eventually they may introduce paid services, apps, paid bots, company features etc.

Considering WeChat, that's probably not a bad bet.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by ComodoHacker » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:52 PM UTC

lucb1e wrote: post #107

tfatcek wrote: post #105

Have no fear, @tptacek will come and show us the true way, the Signal way. All praise @moxie!

I'm still curious to hear Moxie/OWS' take on the Wire issue, where they supposedly demanded $2.5mln for implementing the Signal Protocol (which is open source) and using source code where the documentation lacked (which is open source).

I'm afraid you're talking to the wrong person.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by hannob » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

" Each time you make a Voice Call on Telegram, a neural network learns from your and your device‘s feedback (naturally, it doesn’t have access to the contents of the conversation, it has only technical information such as network speed, ping times, packet loss percentage, etc.). The machine optimizes dozens of parameters based on this input, improving the quality of future calls on the given device and network."

Is it just me or does this sound like serious bullshit? Unless you have some hard evidence of course...

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by mercer » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:53 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #58

notspanishflu wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. That's part of the grey areas I mentioned.

My question is how a source audit addresses the server trust issue...

It doesn't? Or at least I can't see how it would.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by ComodoHacker » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:54 PM UTC

I wish they allow arbitrary user identifiers, which are not tied to mobile operators. Just for geeks.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by RussianCow » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 4:55 PM UTC

hannob wrote: post #184

" Each time you make a Voice Call on Telegram, a neural network learns from your and your device‘s feedback (naturally, it doesn’t have access to the contents of the conversation, it has only technical information such as network speed, ping times, packet loss percentage, etc.). The machine optimizes dozens of parameters based on this input, improving the quality of future calls on the given device and network." Is i…

Which part? That it doesn't have access to the conversation, or that it improves the call quality?

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by jaflo » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 5:02 PM UTC

unicornporn wrote: post #39

t3ra wrote: post #18

But seriously how do they pay their bills? (I know VK brothers are super rich) There are bots that relay huge media files It's probably (imo) the fastest & most complete cloud based chat app Everything.. Literally everything you share can be retrived over the cloud & and now calling That must be super expensive infrastructure? No investors no monetization

They're sitting on troves of data. Extremely few use the E2E encrypted "secure chat" feature (mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices) and all the chat logs and data are stored on their servers (and are readable by Telegram). They also store your address book on their servers. I'm sure they will find ways monetize this. Data is the "new gold", as they say[1]... [1] https://ww…

Their FAQ[1] states:

Q: Will you have ads? Or sell my data? Or steal my beloved and enslave my children? No.

So I don't think they will make money by selling data.

[1] https://telegram.org/faq#q-will-you-have-ads-or-sell-my-data...

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by xur17 » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 5:06 PM UTC

jonotime wrote: post #179

My problem with Telegram is I want to use it but they wont let me. I use a budget phone service (freedompop) which apparently is technically voip, but I did not know until I tried to register for Telegram with it. They refuse to send me text verification. Wont work with my google voice number either. WhatsApp does not have this problem. And what if I want to use Telegram on desktop only? Why do I need to verify a pho…

I have the same problem with Project Fi. Every time I try to register they claim my number is a 'voip' number. Duh! Pretty much all numbers are 'voip' at this point.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by akinalci » Thu, Mar 30, 2017, 5:10 PM UTC

The NN approach sounds interesting, but there are no technical details and it might be hype-based marketing.

Is anyone familiar with solid published work on applying ML/AI to optimize network control (or, as done here, optimize application parameters depending on network conditions).