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The Hidden Monopolies That Raise Drug Prices

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> Americans pay the highest health-care prices in the world, including the highest for drugs, medical devices, and other health-care services and products. Our fragmented system produces many opportunities for excessive charges. But one lesser-known reason for those high prices is the stranglehold that a few giant intermediaries have secured over distribution. The antitrust laws are supposed to provide protection aga…

We "disallow trade" for lots of legitimate reasons. One such reason is when government intervention in another country drives prices below market levels (e.g. we put high tariffs on Chinese steel to counter heavy Chinese government subsidization of that industry).

That's exactly what happens in Canada. Because the healthcare system is publicly funded, the government has enormous market power that it can use to drive drug prices below efficient levels: http://www.becker-posner-blog.com/2009/12/should-the-governm.... Allowing re-importation of those drugs into the U.S. would create a price ceiling at whatever level the Canadian government had negotiated, and would effectively allow the Canadian government to set drug prices in the U.S.

That would be good for consumers in the short term, but not necessarily in the long term. It's no coincidence that the U.S. is the epicenter of pharmaceutical advancements. When I was a kid (early 1990s), HIV/AIDS was something we regarded as a death sentence. I vividly remember people talking in hushed tones when Magic Johnson was diagnosed in 1991. 26 years later, Magic Johnson is still kicking, HIV is no longer a death sentence, and we have Big Pharma to thank for it (and not Canada).

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I think blaming drug companies and wholesalers just misses the point. Drugs are really good today. Not even the life saving types, but also things like migraine medication or acid reflux relief. If you suffer and have the means, you'll pay what the market demands for relief. And we live in a wealthy country.

While this country may be wealthy, there's rampant disparity in who holds that wealth. This is an issue because real people are making the decision to either pay for food or pay for life-saving medications they depend on. The number of people in the cross-section of "suffering" and "have the means" is much lower than the number of people in the cross-section of "suffering" and "don't have the means", and rational society is based on the simple premise of making decisions that optimize society for the majority.

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I think blaming drug companies and wholesalers just misses the point. Drugs are really good today. Not even the life saving types, but also things like migraine medication or acid reflux relief. If you suffer and have the means, you'll pay what the market demands for relief. And we live in a wealthy country.

That's true, but there are also many drugs on the market which are barely better than a placebo, or even more harmful than no medication. However, they are still prescribed and billed for as if they are effective.

Have any examples? The FDA won't approve a drug unless safety and efficacy have been proven.

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Interesting takeaway: going forward I'll always ask the pharmacy if paying out of pocket would actually be cheaper than using my insurance and paying a copay.

I have insurance with a high deductible. That means, I'm most likely paying a price similar to a cash patient.

Often, it makes more sense to use a free 3rd party "coupon/membership" prescription company to get a better price.

Here are two that have saved me money.

https://www.goodrx.com https://www.blinkhealth.com/

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I think blaming drug companies and wholesalers just misses the point. Drugs are really good today. Not even the life saving types, but also things like migraine medication or acid reflux relief. If you suffer and have the means, you'll pay what the market demands for relief. And we live in a wealthy country.

I really despise that "we live in a wealthy country" communist mentality because it is impudent and parasitic.

It is precisely because people who had the polar opposite mindset who brought about the outcome of "living in a wealthy country", and now people like you want to give away and sabotage things and culture and mindsets that are not yours to give away or destroy just because you take them for granted and have no sense for what it took to achieve such a state.

"We live in a wealthy country" not by accident, but by people's values and tenacious determination and culture and social priorities that are often generalized as God's blessings or by the grace of God. You can look to places that are not wealthy for clear proof of mentalities and values that never have, currently do not, and will not result in the same outcomes no matter how much you give away other people's things. Feel free to give away what you have to others that don't have whatever you want to give them, but how about you control your authoritarian dictator impulses to give away other people's things, lest it result in inevitable conflict and misery. It's always the same story with you immoral authoritarian types, give away other people's things against their will, but not your own.

"We live in a wealthy country" is the counter-productive entitled mindset of someone who is freeloading and has things they were provided without having to earn them and therefor have zero sense for what it actually took to bring such a state about, which leads to it begin taken for granted and seen as inexhaustible.

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I think blaming drug companies and wholesalers just misses the point. Drugs are really good today. Not even the life saving types, but also things like migraine medication or acid reflux relief. If you suffer and have the means, you'll pay what the market demands for relief. And we live in a wealthy country.

> If you suffer and have the means, you'll pay what the market demands for relief.

Actually you'll [be forced to] pay above that price, because the market is distorted by non-free-market forces. The moment drug companies arrange to intervene by having the law altered to their favor, blaming them for inflated prices becomes entirely reasonable.

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Interesting takeaway: going forward I'll always ask the pharmacy if paying out of pocket would actually be cheaper than using my insurance and paying a copay.

The price they quote you may be their cash price, which will often be higher than your copay. You can also check which free PBMs they accept and see what those prices are.

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> Americans pay the highest health-care prices in the world, including the highest for drugs, medical devices, and other health-care services and products. Our fragmented system produces many opportunities for excessive charges. But one lesser-known reason for those high prices is the stranglehold that a few giant intermediaries have secured over distribution. The antitrust laws are supposed to provide protection aga…

It's insane. I need a drug that costs about $8k every two months in the US. However, I'm living in Canada right now, where it costs $4k. My US insurance company just decided they will no longer cover the drug in Canada, so instead of paying the $4k CAD, they're now going to pay $8k USD and I'll go pick up the drug across the border. Seems like a lose-lose.

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> Americans pay the highest health-care prices in the world, including the highest for drugs, medical devices, and other health-care services and products. Our fragmented system produces many opportunities for excessive charges. But one lesser-known reason for those high prices is the stranglehold that a few giant intermediaries have secured over distribution. The antitrust laws are supposed to provide protection aga…

We "disallow trade" for lots of legitimate reasons. One such reason is when government intervention in another country drives prices below market levels ( e.g. we put high tariffs on Chinese steel to counter heavy Chinese government subsidization of that industry). That's exactly what happens in Canada. Because the healthcare system is publicly funded, the government has enormous market power that it can use to drive…

> we put high tariffs on Chinese steel to counter heavy Chinese government subsidization of that industry

That's not a good comparison, because we're talking about reimportation - ie, drugs that are produced in the US and exported to another country before being reimported. In general, nobody's interested in reimporting steel produced in the US and exported to China.

> Because the healthcare system is publicly funded, the government has enormous market power that it can use to drive drug prices below efficient levels

First, Canadian healthcare is run at the provincial level, not at the federal level. So while each province/territory is a monopsony, they're each fairly small.

Secondly, pharmaceuticals are typically not covered in Canada; patients pay for most drugs out of pocket, and their generic prices are actually not much lower than they are in the US[0]

> Allowing re-importation of those drugs into the U.S. in effect allows the Canadian government to set drug prices in the U.S.

With free trade, another country is still free to subsidize the goods that it imports from the US, but with the knowledge that they'll be subsidizing whatever portion of Americans choose to reimport those drugs at the subsidized prices.

In reality, that reimportation won't need to happen, because it'll just apply backpressure on the initial sale prices in both markets from the manufacturer.

[0] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3107113/

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I'm going to make the statement that perscription drugs aren't like other products and shouldn't be viewed as such. People literally need them to survive. This whole system of having something you need to survive being subject to market forces like some other widget is ridculous. Price fixing is absolutely a reasonable tactic to employ when the market for prescription drugs in the US is as completely useless at delivering reasonable costs to patients as it is.
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