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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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> end-to-end only device to device (so I can't swap seamlessly from a desktop to a mobile session) How do you accomplish a seamless swap from desktop to a mobile session using end-to-end encryption?

https://riot.im Most seamless end-to-end encrypted solution I've come across. And it's still in beta. Every piece is open source (I'm running my own server), it's federated, supports history sync as a first-citizen feature, individual read receipts for group messages. The UX is not as polished as Telegram, but it's improving rapidly and is more than usable as a daily driver.

How is the quality of web based VoIP through the browsers in your hosted riot.im ?

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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I've managed to setup Telegram for most of my (non-technical) family - wife, siblings, mother (she doesn't even have a smart phone and just uses Telegram as a message client on her desktop. It's a very convenient way to share family related pictures). Voice calls are an excellent addition. If these could now also be extended to video calls, I could likely ditch Skype forever.

A client of mine once explicitly asked to communicate via Wire [1] which is pretty similar to Skype but E2E encrypted. It was launched by a Skype co-founder, is easy to use and has a pleasant interface. And it's open source. I can't really tell if the product really does what it's advertising, perhaps someone with more expertise could chime in on that. I got stuck on it and I'm considering ditching Skype altogether f…

I can +1 Wire. After looking into it, I was very pleasantly surprised.

It's not as good as Telegram's UI and featureset, but they're much newer/younger still. I'm starting to use it more and more.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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In a world full of bloated Electron HTML5 / JS "desktop apps", I'm very happy to see Telegram on Windows is a native app (Qt). It feels so incredibly responsive compared to everything else.

They have a beautiful native macOS app as well. Also, excellent support for groups, including group URLs you can stick on a github page. Great program all around.

I use the OSX app, too. But there was a downgrade going from the App Store version to the recent "Desktop Telegram" version.

The latter lost bindings like ctrl-a, ctrl-u.

If I could be bothered, I'd delete the "Desktop" release and go back to the App Store version.

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A very well-known cross-platform GUI library. If you google qt, the top hits are the official website and Wikipedia. Without clicking any link, the descriptions would have given you an answer.

I know what it is, it's just not lightweight.

It is compared to Electron; I don't know how WPF compares though, IIRC the 'de facto' way to make windows native apps nowadays also involves some web technology?

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It just means that nobody you know sells drugs or does other stuff that forces people to choose privacy over convenience.

How come https://riot.im (Matrix) manages to sync between devices AND have E2E, while also being federated? How come I can use both WhatsApp and Signal on both my computer and phone (and they stay in sync)?

WhatsApp on your computer uses your phone as proxy, so it's kind of cheating (you never get the data in 2 devices).

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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But NOBODY I know actually uses the secure chat feature — mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices.

The lack of sync is a feature. That's what you get when you have a secure system.

Huh? How is exchanging encryption keys between your devices and syncing history insecure? Because that's how Wire solves it.

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But seriously how do they pay their bills? (I know VK brothers are super rich) There are bots that relay huge media files It's probably (imo) the fastest & most complete cloud based chat app Everything.. Literally everything you share can be retrived over the cloud & and now calling That must be super expensive infrastructure? No investors no monetization

I read at some point that they were betting on "Messaging as a platform", eventually they may introduce paid services, apps, paid bots, company features etc.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Signal has this as well. I trust their security (personal bias), but unfortunately the call quality is a non-starter at the moment.

As does Wire, just for the record. They are one of the newer kids on the block. Open sourced in March 2016, End to End encrypted (everything and by default) since June 2016 (or the other way around). Supports chats, calls, video calls, file transfers and multiple devices (including Linux, though Electron...).

And when I tried it, for me seemed to have the best call quality, it was better than my network call quality.
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