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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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In a world full of bloated Electron HTML5 / JS "desktop apps", I'm very happy to see Telegram on Windows is a native app (Qt). It feels so incredibly responsive compared to everything else.

They have a beautiful native macOS app as well. Also, excellent support for groups, including group URLs you can stick on a github page. Great program all around.

Not to mention GNU/Linux support. That's one of my main reasons for sticking around. Wire just can't compete, unfortunately.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Very good. Great even. But there is a problem. Whatsapp has already won the chat/calls app war. Watch it grow massivly in the next year, i promise. Mostly due to incompetence of MS and Google.

To me Whatsapp is terrible. I can only use it on Mobile in any meaningful way, so it's actually worse than SMS for me. Eg, i get a better UX of seamless multi-device SMS via Hangouts, than i do with Whatsapp.

Frequently i get kicked off of Whatsapp because my phone has been idle for too long. Frequently my messages are out of order between the web client and the android client. Semi-frequently Whatsapp hangs when sending messages, sometimes dropping them (i assume due to my phone going idle).

I wouldn't recommend anyone to Whatsapp.. for UX, at least.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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post #54

In a world full of bloated Electron HTML5 / JS "desktop apps", I'm very happy to see Telegram on Windows is a native app (Qt). It feels so incredibly responsive compared to everything else.

> Telegram on Windows is a native app (Qt)

I thought Qt still bypassed the native user interface and drew all their own controls?

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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post #54

In a world full of bloated Electron HTML5 / JS "desktop apps", I'm very happy to see Telegram on Windows is a native app (Qt). It feels so incredibly responsive compared to everything else.

And Qt is what?

A very well-known cross-platform GUI library. If you google qt, the top hits are the official website and Wikipedia. Without clicking any link, the descriptions would have given you an answer.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

#86

Closed source, not end-to-end encrypted by default, end-to-end only device to device (so I can't swap seamlessly from a desktop to a mobile session). Not even the protocoll is open, so I am bound to their clients. Sadly it was the only nice alternative when the snowden stuff was published. That means those of my peers who made it away from skype/fb/whatsapp are now on telegram.

I share your concerns but the protocol is open. https://core.telegram.org/mtproto All official clients are open source so you can fork them or create a new one from scratch.

The two "main" clients for Android and iOS are no longer open source.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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It just means that nobody you know sells drugs or does other stuff that forces people to choose privacy over convenience.

How come https://riot.im (Matrix) manages to sync between devices AND have E2E, while also being federated? How come I can use both WhatsApp and Signal on both my computer and phone (and they stay in sync)?

It looks like in [1] that each device registered to a user has a device_key and when an encrypted message is sent, they user's public devices keys are requested and the message is encrypted for each device. New devices can't see old messages.

[1] https://matrix.org/docs/guides/e2e_implementation.html

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And Qt is what?

A very well-known cross-platform GUI library. If you google qt, the top hits are the official website and Wikipedia. Without clicking any link, the descriptions would have given you an answer.

I know what it is, it's just not lightweight.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

#89

I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service. Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

>I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything.

A bit too late, now that you're using as your main system.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

#90

Signal has this as well. I trust their security (personal bias), but unfortunately the call quality is a non-starter at the moment.

As does Wire, just for the record.

They are one of the newer kids on the block. Open sourced in March 2016, End to End encrypted (everything and by default) since June 2016 (or the other way around). Supports chats, calls, video calls, file transfers and multiple devices (including Linux, though Electron...).

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