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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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samat wrote: post #40
microtonal wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

iMessage has end to end encryption and supports multiple devices. Each device uses its own keypair and when a message is sent, it is sent encrypted for each of the recipient's devices. https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf

The hard part is how do you manage a list of trusted devices. The thing which is really sad is that there are no end to end encrypted group chats.

https://riot.im is doing this.

e2e is in beta still, but they have key list management/verification in place already.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Numberwang wrote: post #10

Very good. Great even. But there is a problem. Whatsapp has already won the chat/calls app war. Watch it grow massivly in the next year, i promise. Mostly due to incompetence of MS and Google.

> Whatsapp has already won

Globaly - maybe, for now. in some countries, however, it's not as popular as Telegram or Viber, for instance. (like Iran, for example)

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by snowpanda »

sneak wrote: post #37

This is your periodic reminder that Telegram uses sketchy crypto and should be avoided.

So then why didn't you break the crypto yet? There was a $300,000 bounty to break it.[1]

This whole, "don't roll your own encryption" argument is getting really old. Everything was new at one point.

[1] https://telegram.org/blog/cryptocontest

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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unicornporn wrote: post #46
dgellow wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lack of sync is a feature. That's what you get when you have a secure system.

How come https://riot.im (Matrix) manages to sync between devices AND have E2E, while also being federated? That's not what you get when you have a secure system, that's what you get when you design a system that can collect (and possibly monetize) the data of millions of users.

That's not what I meant. Yes you can have sync and E2E. With different trade-offs.

Telegram is secure from device to device, not from account to account. If I send you a secure message from my iPad I don't have to worry about the web session I opened a week ago on someone else laptop.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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notspanishflu wrote: post #3

I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service. Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

Telegram has been around for three years now. I wouldn't hold my breath for open source servers/ability to run your own. That's not their business model.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by dgellow »

konart wrote: post #62
Numberwang wrote: post #10

Very good. Great even. But there is a problem. Whatsapp has already won the chat/calls app war. Watch it grow massivly in the next year, i promise. Mostly due to incompetence of MS and Google.

> Whatsapp has already won Globaly - maybe, for now. in some countries, however, it's not as popular as Telegram or Viber, for instance. (like Iran, for example)

Or WeChat (China), or LINE (Thailand).

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by konart »

astannard wrote: post #36

With talk of neural interfaces and augmentation will we have apps in the future that support human to human encryption I wonder?

With things like BLADE this is not even a far future http://www.nature.com/nbt/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nbt.380...

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Post by _jomo »

notspanishflu wrote: post #3

I'm using Telegram as my main messaging system but I hope they'll open source everything. That's the only way to fully audit the service. Telegram is not too bad but has too many grey areas at this moment.

I think at this point it's quite clear they are not ever going to do that. They actually stopped publishing their client source code and they aren't responding to any questions about that.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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snowpanda wrote: post #63
sneak wrote: post #37

This is your periodic reminder that Telegram uses sketchy crypto and should be avoided.

So then why didn't you break the crypto yet? There was a $300,000 bounty to break it.[1] This whole, "don't roll your own encryption" argument is getting really old. Everything was new at one point. [1] https://telegram.org/blog/cryptocontest

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