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Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by unicornporn »

throwaway399 wrote: post #27
unicornporn wrote: post #20

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Wire? I used it for a year with friends and family. I have never in my life experienced a buggier app on Android. My friends and family said the same about it. They seem to focus on bringing new features (like an alien voice FX feature) when they should try to fix the basics first. The worst thing that happened to me was that UI told me I was in a chat with Alice, but I soon realized I was actually chatting with Bob.…

There is no way riot is less buggy. Try macos to macos Sierra to Yosemite voice call. It segfaults right away. Wire is buggy but generally works. The main problem with it is that metadata is collected by default.

Never experienced anything like that on Riot. I mostly call from Android to other Android and iOS phones though.

I'd say we had a 40% chance of actually connecting a call with Wire. Suddenly there was an update to the app and calling didn't work _at all_ until the next update came (this happened more than once).

A close relative finally gave up and yelled something along the lines of "who the f* uses this POS app", and I couldn't really argue. :)

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by dgellow »

unicornporn wrote: post #25
najati83 wrote: post #19

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I share your concerns but the protocol is open. https://core.telegram.org/mtproto All official clients are open source so you can fork them or create a new one from scratch.

But NOBODY I know actually uses the secure chat feature — mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices.

The lack of sync is a feature. That's what you get when you have a secure system.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by gtirloni »

Numberwang wrote: post #10

Very good. Great even. But there is a problem. Whatsapp has already won the chat/calls app war. Watch it grow massivly in the next year, i promise. Mostly due to incompetence of MS and Google.

I agree it's largely due to MS and Google incompetence.

However, WhatsApp is already at 1bn users [0][1]. Expanding from that is going to be very hard.

0 - http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/1/10889534/whats-app-1-billio...

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_virtual_communities_wi...

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by golergka »

unicornporn wrote: post #25
najati83 wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your concerns but the protocol is open. https://core.telegram.org/mtproto All official clients are open source so you can fork them or create a new one from scratch.

But NOBODY I know actually uses the secure chat feature — mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices.

It just means that nobody you know sells drugs or does other stuff that forces people to choose privacy over convenience.

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by unicornporn »

t3ra wrote: post #18

But seriously how do they pay their bills? (I know VK brothers are super rich) There are bots that relay huge media files It's probably (imo) the fastest & most complete cloud based chat app Everything.. Literally everything you share can be retrived over the cloud & and now calling That must be super expensive infrastructure? No investors no monetization

They're sitting on troves of data. Extremely few use the E2E encrypted "secure chat" feature (mainly because it isn't default, but also because it doesn't sync between devices) and all the chat logs and data are stored on their servers (and are readable by Telegram). They also store your address book on their servers.

I'm sure they will find ways monetize this. Data is the "new gold", as they say[1]...

[1] https://www.google.com/#q="data+is+the+new+gold"

Re: Voice Calls: Secure, Crystal-Clear, AI-Powered

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Post by samat »

microtonal wrote: post #29
MichaelApproved wrote: post #24

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> end-to-end only device to device (so I can't swap seamlessly from a desktop to a mobile session) How do you accomplish a seamless swap from desktop to a mobile session using end-to-end encryption?

iMessage has end to end encryption and supports multiple devices. Each device uses its own keypair and when a message is sent, it is sent encrypted for each of the recipient's devices. https://www.apple.com/business/docs/iOS_Security_Guide.pdf

The hard part is how do you manage a list of trusted devices.

The thing which is really sad is that there are no end to end encrypted group chats.

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